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Tivo Mini 2-tuner loophole? Post info here

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by mr_smits, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. SeaFractor

    SeaFractor New Member

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    Tivo need not answer this question, ever. Why? They've already stated what is "supported". Why would they need to clarify what end-user attempted solutions, like temporarily matching to someone elses 4 tuner Tivo might do?

    That's like a hospital that says "we don't do this surgery period" and someone asking what the complications would be.
     
  2. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    This isn't for what is "supported"; it is for what is possible. If I tried this and it works I know Tivo won't support any issues that come up from it. Just like they won't support wifi on Mini connections, they wouldn't support this loophole. However, if it works then I can start reaping the benefits of the Mini immediately instead of waiting for the next, possible but not guaranteed Tivo box that supports OTA.

    If it's not possible, an official Tivo person could end the speculation.
     
  3. Austin Bike

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    Having been on the other side I can tell you why this is a bad thing. They have made their position known. Any discussion outside of what is officially supported can lead to support issues down the road. The official line is "this is what is supported" and they can't deviate.

    We always had people trying to use our products for applications they were not tested or qualified for. I knew they worked that way, that is how I used them at home, but I could not ever discuss that in public. Because of cost/support issues you need to stick to the company line.
     
  4. SeaFractor

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    Not likely to happen. As stated in the posting above, it opens up new support headaches and potential liabilities. Also might impact any license negotiations for "streaming" that is included into the premium purchase of a 4 tuner appliance.

    So who's willing to shell out the price and have it fail within some range of time, if a "re-key/refresh" occurs between the Mini and the Premiere?

    Will the 4 tuner owner who was willing to help out get stuck with a monthly Mini fee on their billing as well? Will some kind of billing error occur for the 2 tuner owner, as the Mini shouldn't be able to be activated on their account?

    Fun stuff.
     
  5. lessd

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    That part of the problem, if it did work the next software update may kill the system, after some period of time (days months etc) the system may stop working, no way to know in advance on a non supported TiVo system.
     
  6. Arcady

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    I remember people talking like this about hard drive upgrades 10 years ago.
     
  7. lessd

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    Yes but the investment in an upgraded hard drive was not that much money and you could keep your original drive, if TiVo had ever disabled upgraded drives, the drive could be use in your computer. TiVo does not care about drive upgrades as they can and do stop support for some people with upgraded drives, but TiVo could disable all TiVos with upgraded drives, that would not be to their advantage. At some point, way in the past, TiVo even asked if you had an upgraded drive and wanted to know the size.
     
  8. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    How is Tivo saying "this isn't possible" going to open them up to support headaches? It would do the exact opposite.

    I suppose we could read into Tivo's silence to mean that they cannot acknowledge that it DOES work or is possible since that would result in the support headaches. However, if it simply does not work they could state that and end the speculation.

    Round and round we go.
     
  9. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Most co.s do not tell what their product does not do ! TiVo never said that I can't make my morning toast using just a TiVo, they also never said that I can upgrade the hard drive, like most co.s TiVo tells you what the produce can do, one goes to user forums to find out other things one can do with some products.
     
  10. Arcady

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    What the hell is a co.s?
     
  11. slowbiscuit

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    Make salad? :confused: :)
     
  12. lessd

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    Short for companies
     
  13. SeaFractor

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    What if the answer was "it's possible but it's not supported?" Then a number of users, following the trend of the forum purchase the Mini based on a feature not "supported" by Tivo. Then a future update stops them from functioning.

    Does that benefit the customers? Benefit Tivo? What are the support lines like at that point? Over-saturated for demands that a feature that is not "supported" be reinstated?

    So it's far more simple and less of an issue legally to simply say "not supported" and keep us with no indication of if it's possible.

    As for the benefit, I'd sure like to have the Mini work. I've a two tuner unit as I'm OTA only. So purchasing an XL4 would only be of benefit if I subscribe to cable. Not happening. I purchased the Premiere for OTA specifically, so it does seem unfortunate that the Mini is not available.

    I suspect that this could change if enough customers voice their desire for it.

    The other solution? A 4 tuner Premiere that also supports OTA. I'd really be for that.
     
  14. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    The only answer I would expect is "it is not possible" and that would end the discussion. Tivo doesn't support upgraded hard drives either, but they do not actively discourage people from doing so or prohibit companies like Weak Knees from doing so. Tivo doesn't support the Mini using a wireless bridge, but there are a number of people using that method. I don't think Tivo is punitive to power users that want to explore its products' capabilities, so I doubt they would disable the loophole if it indeed exists.

    As it is, I will likely buy the rumored 4 tuner OTA/cable box with upgraded hardware and hopefully Stream capabilities if it is released this year. I will then buy 2 Minis for the other TVs so I can finally have a central box for all shows.
     

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