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Tivo Mini 2-tuner loophole? Post info here

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by mr_smits, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    I truly wish TiVo would offer that; I would buy such a product immediately, along with 2 Minis. I am on cable now but planning to go OTA-only in the near future, so I don't want to invest in a system (XL4) that prevents me from going that route. Buying 2 more Premiere's just for Mini-esq functionality means higher HW costs, higher TiVo service costs, higher Cable costs (2xCableCARDs), and higher power consumption costs. TiVo has not provided me any attractive roadmap. Thus the interest in this workaround solution, which I hope will get me by until TiVo releases such a DVR.
     
  2. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    A second Premiere. It's only like $100 more and you get a whole DVR with it. You can choose to ignore that it is a DVR if you want, and it does the same thing as a Mini, without killing a tuner on your main box.
     
  3. Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    And $13 monthly or $400-500 lifetime vs $$6 monthly or $149 lifetime
    Plus cable company outlet and cablecard fees. So a second Premiere is considerably more.
     
  4. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    It's at least $200 more per box (gets expensive fast for whole home), draws more power, takes longer to boot. The Mini is the answer, not more DVRs if you don't need them.
     
  5. lessd

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    To test your idea you will have to get a TP-4, activate it, order cable service, order a cable card, active the cable card, at that point your idea will work, than cancel the TiVo activation, cancel your cable service, return the cable card, return the TP-4, and now see if the Mini will work over a long period of time. My Mini would not pair with my active TP-4 until I got a cable card into the TP-4 and activated the card.
     
  6. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    The unanswered question is: after pairing with the TP-4 and then removing the TP-4 from the system, will the Mini still function properly or will it stop functioning after 2 weeks/30 days/60 days, etc?
     
  7. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    Thanks lessd, that is very useful information. For those folks (myself included) already on cable, it should be easy to have the cable company reprovision our existing CableCARD over the phone in order to get the new TP4 box working. But folks with OTA-only setups would have significantly more hoops to jump through because of this, to the point it's probably infeasible for them.
     
  8. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I really wish someone from Tivo would answer this question once and for all.
     
  9. Arcady

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    The price difference I can understand. Power use? Okay.

    Boot time? That's a really silly argument. Are you booting your TiVo a lot?


    Someone asked what to use for OTA. I gave the only answer. If you are using it for OTA, then there are no cable outlet fees or CableCard fees, so those excuses are moot. Even if you have cable, you don't need to use the second TiVo as a DVR on cable.
     
  10. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I does keep functioning for about 10 min.
     
  11. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    Can you elaborate? What exactly happens after 10 min?
     
  12. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I put the TP-4 back on line, at the time I just wanted to know if I took the TP-4 off line would the Mini not work with the other TPs I had at that time, the Mini keep working at least for 10 minutes, a few weeks later I changed all my TPs for one less TiVo as I had 4 TPs with cable cards, now I have 3 TP-4s and a Mini, the TiVo home system now using only 3 Cable cards and I have more tuners to record (11 tuners vs 8 before). I also sold all my TPs and wifi adapters, as I now can use the built in Moca.
    This most likely does not help much in your OTC/Mini work-around.
     
  13. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    It has nothing to do with anything.
     
  14. moedaman

    moedaman New Member

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    Microcenter sells refurbished Dell Core2Duo pc's (with Win 7) for under $175. Buy an external hdd for $60, install your favorite transfer software and use that on your second tv. At least you'll be able to stream Netflix, Hulu and Amazon without any problems using the pc.

    Is it the perfect solution? For some it is, for most no. But it is an option.
     
  15. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    I doubt even 1% of users would contemplate using something like a PC running windows to replace a DVR like TiVo.
     
  16. moedaman

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    This is why I mentioned it. Most people are so concerned about using a mini, they've forgotten that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Besides I didn't say replace a Tivo. I said to use it a substitute for a mini. Plenty of people on this site use Tivo Desktop or the third party apps on their pc. Why not connect that pc to a tv?

    Of course, I've had a pc connected to my basement hdtv since 2006. Whenever I see a question about home entertainment, my answer usually has the letters h t p & c in it.
     
  17. jmpage2

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    I do have an HTPC that runs XBMC and serves up my BD and DVD rips. It is also good at playing music, etc. It also doesn't run Windows.

    A Mini extends the functions of a central TiVo, is relatively inexpensive ($250 including lifetime service) and is an "appliance" that requires no real setup or maintenance. It also uses a fraction of the electricity of even a low end PC.

    I wouldn't even contemplate replacing it with a PC, and I am more knowledgeable about PCs then most people.
     
  18. moedaman

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    I mentioned Windows because most people are familiar with it. I take it you don't like Windows, otherwise there is no real need to even mention it in this context.
    Like I said I was giving options. Most people are myopic when discussing a subject. Look, the mini isn't for an ota user. Instead of bitching about it, people should look at their options.
     
  19. Saxion

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    Moedaman, thanks for pointing out this option. It is good to consider all possibilities. An HTPC isn't an attractive option for me, but it might work for other folks.

    Mr_smits, do you still think you might give the Mini loophole a try in the next month?
     
  20. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I just switched to OTA, but if OTA doesn't cut it then I will bring back the cablecards and test out the Mini loophole.
     

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