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Tivo Mini 2-tuner loophole? Post info here

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by mr_smits, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    I agree. TiVo has a history of leaving backdoor features alone that are only known by "in-the-know" power users (like 30-sec skip). I believe the reasons the Mini is tied to a 4-tuner TiVo are 1) fear of support costs and 2) fear of not meeting user expectations: TiVo wants to ensure MOCA is available (to discourage streaming over WiFi) and wants to minimize the disruption of stealing a tuner for live TV. In particular, I don't believe their primary motivation is to encourage folks to upgrade to a 4-tuner host; if that were the case why not just delay the Mini and have it only work with the next gen TiVo HW shipping in the fall?

    For power users who understand the limitations of using a 2-tuner TiVo, I don't think TiVo would actively block their use by closing such a loophole. It's not worth their time, and they gain almost nothing from ticking off their power users.
     
  2. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The problem is that to use this, a person needs to buy a P4, add it to the account and then remove it and get a refund. That right there should be a big incentive for TiVo to prevent it.
     
  3. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    If this worked for a small number of people now, but TiVo decided later to discourage it going forward (for the above reason), would it be in TiVo's best interest to break existing working systems in use by some of their power users? One could argue that at that point it would be in TiVo's best interest to create a new backdoor (SPS code, whatever) that would allow such users to continue to use their existing HW but without needing to buy/return a 4-tuner host.

    It comes down to probabilities, but there is a good chance that either this loophole (if it currently exists) won't be actively shut down, or if it is then an alternative loophole might be opened.
     
  4. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I agree.
     
  5. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    It'll take them 5 years to fix it and by then, everyone will have newer hardware that supports the Mini anyways.
     
  6. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Why would TiVo fix something that they don't support, if people want to purchase a Mini for a non supported use, that does not harm TiVo in any way I can think of.
     
  7. tivoboy

    tivoboy Member

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    yes, but tivo owners aren't that stupid. ;-)
     
  8. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    The new ones who paid $375 for a 6 year old TiVo might be.
     
  9. Bigg

    Bigg Active Member

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    I don't know. That timescale is just something TiVo would do.
     
  10. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    So, who's going to try this first? :)
     
  11. Austin Bike

    Austin Bike New Member

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    Because to make this work you buy a 4-tuner system, then return it for a refund. This will become expensive for TiVo and if it becomes a problem they would take steps to keep it from happening.
     
  12. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    I said I would, but I am holding off for the time being. I just cut the cord and made the switchover for the entire house yesterday. I'm returning my 3 cable cards and tuning adapter this afternoon.

    If OTA only doesn't work or isn't satisfactory for our needs, then I will try out this loophole by (1) buying a 4 tuner Elite (2) buying 2 minis (3) activating and using the Elite for a few days (4) disconnecting the Elite and waiting to return it for a refund before the return window has closed. If the loophole works, I'll keep the Minis. If the loophole doesn't work, I'll return the 2 Minis as well.
     
  13. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I can't see many people doing this return stuff, too much of a pain for not much gain, you can sell a Lifetime TP on E-Bay and upgrade to a new TP-4 for under $200.
     
  14. Austin Bike

    Austin Bike New Member

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    eBay is easier than walking back to best buy for 100% cash back? You have to place the item, pay eBay, get paid by the seller, then ship it to him. I can't see a world where you can do all that and not lose money. And time.

    The implication from the original post is that you just need a 4 tuner for a day to get the mini activated.
     
  15. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    What I was trying to say is trading up from a TP to a TP-4 but I forgot about OTA missing on the TP-4, my Mini would not connect to my TP-4 until I put an active cable card into the TP-4, that may be a problem as one would also have to get and return a cable card.
     
  16. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    You guys sound like a bunch of people putting Ferrari body kits on a Fiero.

    Just buy the real thing. Guess what? It costs less than the Fiero.
     
  17. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

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    Totally missed the point, which is that if you're OTA only and you want a Mini you have to do dumb stuff like this. Dumb because of Tivo's limitations, that is.
     
  18. farmermac

    farmermac Recorder of shows

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    Except TiVo is so used to having tivos returned because of out of the box problems they'll never notice
     
  19. Saxion

    Saxion Substantive Member

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    Snarky remarks aren't helpful. What, exactly, are OTA-only people supposed to buy?
     
  20. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    Another Premiere or used Series 3 unit is the only option right now.

    Hopefully TiVo will release a new unit that supports OTA that will support the Mini for those who do not want multiple DVRs but until then whole home for OTA = multiple DVRs.
     

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