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TiVo HDTV Series 3 has crashed/rebooted several times in one day

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Mike Richardson, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. Oct 4, 2012 #41 of 116
    unitron

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    You absolutely needed to replace at least some of those caps.

    As for the drive in there now, the DB35, I think that's a Pipeline model.

    As for spending $120 for the

    Seagate Pipeline HD ST2000VM002 2TB 5900 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

    with a 2 year warranty,

    you just missed paying $20 less on either of these


    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0042AG9V8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136783


    which are the same drive, the WD20EURS, and it comes with a 3 year warranty and reports from me and other TCF'ers that it works in an S3 HD just fine.

    Amazon packed mine well, don't know about newegg on this particular model.

    You can use jmfs to copy the old Seagate to a new 2TB and expand, and maybe it'll work out and you won't lose your settings or shows.
     
  2. Oct 4, 2012 #42 of 116
    MickeS

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    Thanks, I think I'll get that WD drive.

    Is there an advantage to using jmfs vs WinMFS if WinMFS says my faulty drive is not a TiVo drive... seems it can't read it. Is jmfs the only way to get a 2TB running? I do have the original drive with v 9.x of the TiVo software on it.
     
  3. Oct 4, 2012 #43 of 116
    unitron

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    If it's screwed up enough that WinMFS doesn't consider it a TiVo drive (It can see it, but can't read it?), then jmfs will probably re-act the same way.

    Stick the original back in and let it get its software updated to the latest and make sure it has the right cable and over the air lineups and cable card pairing and whatnot, and then you can copy it.
     
  4. Oct 4, 2012 #44 of 116
    steve614

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    If you want to go 2TB, then you have to use JMFS. WinMFS alone won't do the job. IIRC, there's a limitation in the WinMFS software and it doesn't completely take advantage of the full 2TB.

    The JMFS software is easy enough to use.
    To take full advantage of 2TB in the TivoHD, you 'copy' and 'expand' using JMFS and then you 'supersize' with WinMFS.


    Edit:
    Nevermind. I see that you have an original Series 3.
    Things are slightly different with that model. You can still get to 2TB, but the method is different.
    Hopefully someone else can better explain as I am only familiar with the TivoHD.
    :eek:
     
  5. Oct 4, 2012 #45 of 116
    MickeS

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    I thought the TiVoHD and the Series 3 used the same method, but the Premiere used a different method? I'm going to give the TiVoHD method a shot, because that's all I found per http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179

    Also, I found a WD drive called model WDBAAY0020HNC-NRSN at Best Buy, which per this thread on the WD forum is a WD20EARS drive, which people seem to have been successful with, so I got that one. Just in case someone is interested. :)

    Thanks for the help everyone. :)
     
  6. Oct 4, 2012 #46 of 116
    unitron

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    jmfs was devloped to upgrade Premiere drives.

    By lucky chance it works on the S3 HD and S3 HD XL as well, but apparently not the original S3.


    That which drive did I buy thread is about a year old and the OP probably got a pre-flood drive.

    The box with the model number

    WDBAAY0020HNC-NRSN

    has contained several different model number drives in the past few years, the WD20EACS, the WD20EARS, the WD20EADS, among others, all of which should work in new enough TiVos, however lately it's contained newer model WD drives with Xs and Zs in the model number, and I don't think I've seen any success stories involving those.

    You might want to return it and get a WD20EURS from Amazon or newegg for $120 (unfortunately you just missed a 2 day period when they were $100).
     
  7. Oct 5, 2012 #47 of 116
    MickeS

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    OK, now I'm confused... my model is the TiVo Series 3 model number 648250B. I thought jmfs worked with this, but you're saying it doesn't? I guess I'll just have to settle for using WinMFS if not, and not use the full drive.

    Yeah, just keep reminding me I missed that sale! :) Thanks for the info... I might just take it out of the box and put it in a PC if it's not a known compatible drive.... argh, why is this such a hassle. :)
     
  8. Oct 5, 2012 #48 of 116
    unitron

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    It's a hassle for a number of reasons, but the drive makers seem to be going out of their way to make it even worse than usual lately.

    Currently the best I can do for you is to tell you to start reading here

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9168233#post9168233

    and go forward.
     
  9. Oct 5, 2012 #49 of 116
    MickeS

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    Thanks!

    After a bunch of reading here at the forum tonight, I had decided to call it a day and stick to the original drive for now. Then I remembered I had an old 500GB WD drive from 2008 that I hadn't used in years... I used WinMFS to copy and expand the original 250GB drive onto the 500GB drive, and popped that into the TiVo. Alas, it didn't boot. Then I did some more reading, and found out about the IntelliPark feature and how to disable it.

    After doing that, the 500GB drive worked like a charm (knock on wood, only been in there for about half an hour now :)), so I'll stick to this configuration for now. 70HD hours will have to do for a while.

    Thanks unitron and the others who wrote in all those other threads for your help!
     
  10. Oct 5, 2012 #50 of 116
    unitron

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    What's the model number on that 500GB?

    If your cable co. doesn't lock down everything it can with the no copy bit, that 2TB in a computer running TiVo Desktop is a good place to relocate the My TiVo Recordings folder, and you can create sub-folders in that into which to sort shows, and those folders will be visible when you go to the computer in your TiVo's Now Playing list.
     
  11. Oct 5, 2012 #51 of 116
    bstendel

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    I searched online, then came back to Tivo forums to see if anyone else was having any problems. Seems to be, but I haven't read thru all the posts yet. Wondering if anyone else remembers back a couple of years ago this was happening. Constant reboots. Turned out, Tivo had done a software upgrade that was causing the problem. I'll go read the thread now. :mad:

    OK, so I read briefly thru the thread. And someone stated it seems to be a prevalent problem. Any chance it was a software update as before?
     
  12. Oct 5, 2012 #52 of 116
    lpwcomp

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    On a TiVo 3? No.
     
  13. Oct 5, 2012 #53 of 116
    bstendel

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    seriously ipwcomp?
     
  14. Oct 5, 2012 #54 of 116
    unitron

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    MickeS

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    The 500GB was a WD5000AACS-00ZUB0 according to the WD Diagnostics.

    When googling it, seems like people had issues with it, but that was before the IntelliPark disabling thing was discovered it seems. It's been running fine since Thursday now.
     
  16. Oct 9, 2012 #56 of 116
    snowjay

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    Put me on the list for sudden reboots on my S3.

    Started last night, and each time it crashed itself it wouldn't boot back up and would hang in various states of the process. Each time resetting the power allowed it to boot back up completely.

    I've completely removed any questionable programs that were recording or watching when it happened and am running the hard drive test (kickstart 54 SMART test).

    It has passed the first 3 tests for each HD (I have a 1GB extended) but on the Primary drive I have received a "No Start" for the Extended and Off-line scan. It had started the Extended and said it was going to take about 90 mins, but 10 or so into it is when it changed to "No Start" and the Off Line test last 1 sec. Not quite sure what that means? The Secondary drive is still going through the Extended test.

    Edit: I cancelled the above tests, rebooted and went to run a 58. The green screen flashed quick them it went to the "Installing a service update" screen. I thought it was supposed to stay on the green screen while it ran it's tests? Oh wait... now it's rebooting, maybe it really was a service update. Hrmm

    Edit 2: I rebooted again after the "update" and ran a 57 this time, now I get the green screen saying my unit has a serious problem and it will take about 3hrs to fix it...
     
  17. Oct 9, 2012 #57 of 116
    snowjay

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    It rebooted again after the 57, and I went to rerun the 54 and it got further than it did last time before it went "No Start" again on the primary drive. I rebooted again, attempted to do a 58, again got an "installing service update" and then it when it rebooted it would hang on the welcome screen. Now powering off/on it just keeps hanging there. I pulled the cover and looked at the PS and there appear to be 3 "domed" caps. They are #s C701, C401 & C402.

    I'm not the best with a soldering iron and small parts like that, so I think I might just order a new PS from Weaknees unless someone wants to try and talk me out of it. :D
     
  18. Oct 9, 2012 #58 of 116
    HerronScott

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    Any local TV repair shops? You could buy the parts and see what they would charge to replace them for you.

    Scott
     
  19. Oct 9, 2012 #59 of 116
    snowjay

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    Not that I'm aware of, I'd have to check the "yellow pages" to be sure.

    I did pull the board to see the underside and some of those joints are awfully close. Now way I can do that with my existing iron tip but I think with a thinner tip I could do it.
     
  20. Oct 9, 2012 #60 of 116
    control-z

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    I too am having the reboot problem, with my Tivo HD. It has an upgraded hard drive in it, I did the upgrade a year or two ago. The reboots seemed to start happening when I was watching a recording of last Thursdays Person of Interest.

    However I am having trouble getting to the HD diagnostics. The Tivo HD boots, and after a minute or so the green light blanks and I hold pause, then the yellow and orange (IIRC) lights come on. I quickly enter 54 but the Tivo just keeps booting like normal. Should I see an immediate reaction when I type 54 or 57 or whatever?

    Also, I have the RF (not IR) remote, does that make any difference?
     

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