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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Feb 18, 2011 #61 of 657
    SoKal5366

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    Thanks, David, I understand. Time is of the essence.

    After using both WinMFS and JMFS, I agree that both are very easy to use. Kidos to Comer.

    I like the stats I'm seeing from JMFS. When things are humming along, I see a nice transfer rate of 20+ kB/s. In the screen shot below, 26.148 MB/s. Nice, nice.


    However, when JMFS (dd_recover?) comes across a sickly part of my disk, yeow. Just 2 kB/s...or even less. 2 kB/s is shown below, but I've even seen 256 bytes/s!


    I'll be curious to see what happens when I plug the 2TB copy back into my TiVo. What will the result be of the 21 errors and the (loss?) of 6,988 kB. Hmmm....
     
  2. Feb 18, 2011 #62 of 657
    L David Matheny

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    Despite my fears every minute I run a failing drive, I have seen drives run many hours without failing completely, so keep at it. Sometimes it seems like they just get extremely flaky due to running hotter. There's a relatively small amount of TiVo code somewhere, probably at the front of the drive; and there's got to be some sort of index or directory of your recordings somewhere; but the vast bulk of the data is actual video, and if that gets garbled it just means the garbled parts won't play properly (I think). Good luck.
     
  3. Feb 18, 2011 #63 of 657
    alyssa

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    The...
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    Did ya *really* think I wouldn't check out the upgrade forum?
     
  4. Feb 18, 2011 #64 of 657
    dholzlein

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    My recollection is that the TiVo HDXL is factory supersized so he shouldn't need to go back to WinMFS once jmfs does it's thing.
     
  5. Feb 18, 2011 #65 of 657
    SoKal5366

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    [In my best John Wayne impersonation]​
    What's a pretty little thing like you doing here in these rough and tumble parts of the Upgrade Center. :) :) :)

    LOL.
     
  6. Feb 19, 2011 #66 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    I'm not aware of anyone trying with a Tivo HD XL yet, so I'm curious how it goes with your attempt. I don't know if you'll need to use WinMFS to turn on supersize (it may already be set that way with the THDXL), but you should NOT try the JMFS supersize option (it appears to only work for Premiere drives). Good luck and let us know how it all turns out!
     
  7. Feb 19, 2011 #67 of 657
    ThreeSoFar

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    Did anyone else just not bother with supersize? For another 30 hours or so of HD, on top of an already huge 290 hours, I figured why bother....I'll let TiVo have their space and make their ad money.
     
  8. Feb 19, 2011 #68 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    Based on what I've read, I think the smaller size Tivo's set aside a percentage of their space to be available for the Tivo ads, while the larger size Tivo's just have a specific amount of space set aside, so I think the supersize option is just to switch between the percentage method and the specific amount method. Anyone know if my thinking is correct?

    In any case, I wanted as much space as possible, so I turned it on for both of my upgrades. I know there are still Tivo ads rotating through my THD's, so I don't think they were prevented from claiming any of that ad revenue (other than the fact that I rarely click through and watch any of it).
     
  9. Feb 19, 2011 #69 of 657
    defucius

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    another success here with a WD20EARS.

    I replaced an already expanded 500G drive in a tivo HD. The 4 year old 500 drive was failing because of an accidental movement and a sudden loss of power to the tivo.

    The 500G drive was not supersized. So I first super sized the drive with winmfs. The rest of the upgrading process was as smooth as it can be following the instructions.

    One thing to note is that HDDSCAN could not change the AAM setting when the drive is connected through the SATA interface. It was due to the nforce sata/ide chipset of the motherboard. I reconnected the drive through usb and HDDSCAN happily changed the AAM setting.
     
  10. Feb 19, 2011 #70 of 657
    jdsnov73

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    I just did the disc copy and expand using JMFS. I am trying to Supersize it with Winmfs.

    I downloaded the winmfs beta 9.3. When I run it, I select "file" in the upper toolbar, then "select drive" and a new window opens for A drive and B drive. No info shows up when I had both the original drive and the new drive hooked up. I removed the old drive, and still do not get a drive to show up.

    Am I doing something totally wrong? Am I using the wrong winmfs program to do the Supersize?

    Thanks
     
  11. Feb 19, 2011 #71 of 657
    defucius

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    I did not remember anything confusing when supersizing. Are you sure your drive is properly connected? Can windows see the drive properly? try run windows disc manager and see if you can see it. I'd try connect using a USB kit to see if it make any difference.
     
  12. Feb 19, 2011 #72 of 657
    Wulf

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    I had the same probelm and found I had to copy WinMFS to my computer's hard drive (not run off a CD), and then right-click the WinMFS executable and choose "run as administrator". Then it showed me the connected drives.
     
  13. Feb 19, 2011 #73 of 657
    jdsnov73

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    It's a 2TB drive. Windows disk management shows this as Disk 2, "unknown" 1863.02GB, Not Initialized.

    I have it hooked to sata straight to the motherboard.
     
  14. Feb 19, 2011 #74 of 657
    jdsnov73

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    Beautiful! Thanks so much!
     
  15. Feb 19, 2011 #75 of 657
    jdsnov73

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    Everything is up and running great! My external Tivo drive crashed on me a few months ago, so I have been getting all sorts of delete messages when trying to schedule new recordings. With 318 hours of HD, I am SET!

    Thanks to those who figured this out, and Wulf for your quick answer to my question.
     
  16. Feb 20, 2011 #76 of 657
    SoKal5366

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    Tivoitis, JMFS worked great for my TiVo HD XL. dd_rescue was really working hard to rescue all of my sickly 1TB disk. I let it run for 2 days. It was still on the "splitting pass," and slowly whittling down 29 MB to 22 MB to 16 MB, when I finally decided to pull the plug. This is what the screen showed when I did a hard reset on the PC. (It wasn't responding to Control-C, so I just had do a hard reset.)
    [​IMG]
    I hoped that JMFS/dd_rescue's copy of 99.9985% of the 1TB was good enough, and that the last 0.0015% wasn't critical.

    To answer your question, I followed your instructions in http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179, assuming they would apply to the TiVo HD XL. This included not using JMFS to do the supersize, and using WinMFS to do it. I plugged the drive in, and it worked.
    [​IMG]
    (Using WinMFS to turn on supersize was weird. Select the drive. Turn on supersize. IIRC, it gives you a confirmation. But it doesn't seem like it does anything. I closed WinMFS. Put the 2TB in the TiVo. Well, it shows 318 hours of HD. I guess it did do something.)

    I've been using the TiVo all day today, and it's been working great. It's even played programs perfectly, that before had caused the TiVo to reset when played from the sickly 1TB. Except in one case. I was playing a previously recorded program copied from the 1TB, and at the very end of a watching it, the TiVo hung and then reset. Shoot. Hmmm...was this from a glitch in the previous recorded program, or because of the 16MB that didn't get copied over???

    I hope to gain confidence in the 2TB copy in the weeks to come.

    If the 2TB gives me troubles--especially with newly recorded programs--I may run the Kickstarts to test and repair(?) the 2TB. Given that I've had one reset, I'm still a little weary of the health of the image on the 2TB given that 16MB of the 1TB did not copy.

    Any thoughts are welcome. Anyone else been through this??? Anyone else as crazy as I am? :) :) :)
     
  17. Feb 21, 2011 #77 of 657
    replaytv

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    Pardon me if this question has been all ready answered on this forum, or if I am posting this in the wrong place. I just joined and am learning the 'ropes'. And did look around for a while and didn't find any answer for this particular question.

    I have over 20 Series 1 and 2 Tivos, and some of them have lifetime, but most don't. Can I move the hard drives from Tivo branded Series 2 Tivos from one to another so I can have all 80 gig drives in lifetime machines? Mostly the 80 gig drives are in Dual tuner models without lifetime. And I want to move them to single tuner machines. It is a shame to make the Dual tuner have a smaller hard drive, but there is not much demand for a Dual Tuner without lifetime.
    I don't know anything about Linux or whatever you guys are talking about to work on a hard drive out of the Tivo box. I have moved one hard drive from a Tivo that was exactly like the one that I moved it to, and it works great. The one that I moved it to had lifetime and the hard drive had died.
    I don't need a 1 terabit drive, or really anything bigger than 80 gig. I keep almost no shows, so I just delete right after watching, so no need for large hard drive.
     
  18. Feb 21, 2011 #78 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    Well that looks pretty good to me. If the show that caused the reset isn't terribly important to you, I'd just delete it. What I did to gain more confidence in my THD's was to record shows on both tuners almost continually during the day (when I'd normally not be recording anything) until I completely filled the drive up and shows were beginning to be auto-deleted.
     
  19. Feb 22, 2011 #79 of 657
    SoKal5366

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    Thanks.

    I think that's a great idea for gaining confidence in a newly built drive. Thanks, Tivoitis!

    Fortunately, that show wasn't important to me, so I deleted it right away.

    Been using the new 2TB most of today, too, and no resets. Slowly building confidence.... :)
     
  20. Feb 22, 2011 #80 of 657
    skunkape

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    I followed this guide and was able to upgrade my tivohd with a 2tb drive. Thanks for all the info! I'm so happy to have a tivo that I can finally fully utilize. That 21 hour stuff was for the birds, Now I've got 318 hours!!! Woohoo!
     

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