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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Mar 9, 2013 #621 of 657
    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    It's the Western Digital utility used to adjust or disable the "Intellipark" setting on some WD drives. Some WD drives are set by default to park the heads after a short period of inactivity. This causes soft boots of TiVos to fail, requiring a power cycle to get it back up.
     
  2. Mar 9, 2013 #622 of 657
    nyjack

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    Thank you!
     
  3. Mar 9, 2013 #623 of 657
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    It is a utility written by WD which adjust the timing period used by the Intellipark feature found on some of it's Caviar Green line of hard drives.

    After a certain period of inactivity Intellipark spins down the drive and parks the heads. This is supposed to reduce electricity consumption and heat generation.

    But the TiVo drive is never inactive when the TiVo is plugged in.

    Except when it's re-booting itself, a so-called "soft boot".

    It goes into a soft boot, quits calling on the drive for anything for a few seconds, drive spins down.

    TiVo then gets far enough into boot to call on drive, drive not ready, which causes TiVo to re-reboot to try again.

    In the meantime, the drive, having gotten the nudge from the TiVo, wakes up and answers, but by that time the TiVo has started re-booting again and isn't answering the answer, so the drive goes to sleep again, which is how the TiVo finds it when it gets far enough into the boot process to call on the drive.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.


    wdidle3 let's you make timing period of inactivity before the drive goes to sleep longer, so that it's still awake when the TiVo gets far enough into the re-boot to call on it again, or on some models it'll let you disable Intellipark altogether.

    Although setting the period for 300 seconds (5 minutes) is pretty much the same thing as disabling it where use in a TiVo is concerned, so either will work.
     
  4. Mar 9, 2013 #624 of 657
    lpwcomp

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    Unitron,

    Not to be pedantic, but I don't believe that the Intellipark feature spins down the drive, just parks the heads and turns off the read/write electronics. In fact, the main purpose of this feature is to reduce aerodynamic drag so it requires less power to keep the drive spinning.
    [​IMG]

    Since spinning up is one of the more stressful activities for a drive, nobody would think doing it that often was a good idea.


    This has the best explanation I have seen.
     
  5. Mar 9, 2013 #625 of 657
    unitron

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    As greatly as it pains me to admit it, there exists the possibility that you are right and I am...



    ...



    ...



    slightly not quite as right.


    :D


    Good catch.
     
  6. Mar 9, 2013 #626 of 657
    lpwcomp

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    "I may not always be right but by god I ain't never wrong!"
    Brother Dave.
     
  7. Mar 9, 2013 #627 of 657
    unitron

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    Brother Dave Gardner?
     
  8. Mar 9, 2013 #628 of 657
    lpwcomp

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    Got it in one.
     
  9. Mar 9, 2013 #629 of 657
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    "The only reason people live up North, dear hearts, is they have jobs up there."


    and that exhausts my memory of Brother Dave material which is anywhere near to PC.

    I wish there had been a way to get him and the UK's Dave Allen on the same stage in conversation for a week or so.
     
  10. Mar 9, 2013 #630 of 657
    lpwcomp

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    Yeah, non-PC is a kind description of a lot (most?) of his material, but how could you forget this one:

    "Man cannot live by bread alone. He must have peanut butter."

    He was a fond memory of my childhood of <redacted> years ago (we had several of his albums) and around 2004 or so I bought some of the CDs.

    For more urbane comedic entertainment, we also had several "Shelley Berman" albums.
     
  11. Mar 9, 2013 #631 of 657
    unitron

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    How could I have forgotten that one, indeed.

    I must plead a splitting sinus headache and advancing years.

    Although something would have probably triggered my memory of that line somewhere down the road a few weeks or months from now.
     
  12. unixguy

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    I just upgraded my TiVo Premier:

    (1) Hard drive used: 2TB WD20EURS
    (2) Thermaltake BlacX Dock.

    I have a Sony Vaio with an 1 eSata port (that also takes USB)

    Initially I tried to use USB but when I booted into the JMFS I was unable to see the drives. Instead I connected a USB hub to my eSata port. After that I was able to see both drives without any issues.

    The total time for the upgrade was about 5.5 hours with no errors.

    The only issue I had was using WDIDLE I was not able to see the updated tivo drive. But my drive was not Jan 2013 .. from my understanding this was just an issue for drives prior to Jan 2013.

    After the upgrade the tivo works fine without any issues. First time bootup seemed to hang sightly but continued to the tivo menu. Also the first time I went to the menu it was a little slow .. it seems that was just the first time.

    After a few minutes of usage response time seems ok and the menu does not hang.
     
  13. lpwcomp

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    That's because it modifies the drives firmware so must be connected via SATA. Won't work over USB.

    Have you verified that the TiVo will soft boot with no problems?
     
  14. unixguy

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    I soft booted successfully the only issue I saw was that right before the TiVo intro cartoon the screen hangs for about 3-5 seconds.

    If I need to I can hook the drive up directly via sata connection and run the util.
     
  15. unitron

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    Intellipark is more of a which model issue than a when was it made issue, I think.
     
  16. lessd

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    That common when going into the HDUI for the first time, not any Hard drive problem.
     
  17. pdecrett

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    I just used JMFS Live (v1.04), per the first post in this thread, to replace a 1TB previously upgraded WinMFS drive in my Tivo HD. The old drive even stopped booting eventually (periodic reboots during shows before that).

    The JMFS Live software copied settings and recordings to a new WD20EURS 2TB drive. It booted right up in the Tivo.

    I did the disk copy. About 12 hours to copy 1TB of data and try to repair my bad sectors. The bad drive really slowed things down.

    I did the expansion (not supersize). JMFS reported something like 288 hours. But in my Tivo, I am getting, 314 or 318 (cannot remember).

    That was it. I didn't check acoustics. I didn't check the idle timeout (soft reboots work no problem). My drive was manufactured in January 2013.

    Thanks for the help, everyone, particularly to Tivoitis (first post) and comer (software) - at least it seems.

    - Paul
     
  18. unitron

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    I'm happy for you that it worked out, however future readers might like to know that in your situation, provided the TiVo had already been upgraded to version 11.0k of the software (almost a certainty if you've had it operating lately), one could do the copying and then use WinMFS to just enlarge the previously added 3rd MFS Media partition, even if the stock drive had been upgraded to the 1TB with the MFS Live cd and there was a small Apple Free partition left at the end (which would defeat jmfs).

    And that's true for all of the S3's, even the original OLED panel with the clock one.


    The tricky thing is what to use to do the copy if the source drive has any problems.

    But once you've got a good, working copy on the new target drive, WinMFS can expand into the rest of the space and 11.0k will let the TiVo use all of it, even though that last partition is going to be something like 1.6TB in size if you went with a 2TB target drive.
     
  19. May 1, 2013 #639 of 657
    tgmii

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    Does someone have an Tivo HD image? My Tivo HD suddenly failed, so no backup.

    Thanks!
     
  20. May 1, 2013 #640 of 657
    drhankz

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    OH NO

    Answer YES - I have two of them but I have NO CLUE how
    you could get them - THEY are LARGE.

    People do sell them online
     

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