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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. GBK33

    GBK33 New Member

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    Bought it with upgraded drive
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    And the weaknees warranty is already expired?

    Ouch.

    Seems like they'd offer to do something for you, even if it's just a good price on a pre-imaged drive replacement.
     
  3. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    Just looking at some options.

    If wanted to move a 1 TB drive from a TiVoHD to a Premiere, both active. with matching Season Passes.

    I would just take out drives from the TiVoHD and Premiere and use the jmfs CD to Copy the Premiere to the 1TB Drive?
    Then I could take my TiVoHD Image I have and use winMFS to apply it to the stock 320GB drive from the Premiere, which I would want to do a C&DE?

    I thought about taking out a 1 TB drive from a WD Mybook and replace it with the Premiere drive. I need to look into this, just a thought right now.

    Find a HD for the TiVo, 1TB (WD10EARX)@$99 or 2TB @$119 or for the Mybook 350-500GB.
     
  4. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    Well I just won a auction for a used 1TB WD20EARS for $75. I might upgrade 2 of my Premieres to 1 Tb so the TiVoHD downgrade may happen.

    $75 sounds like a Ok deal, I do have a 1 wk return period to test the HD out.
     
  5. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Are you sure it is 1TB? A WD20EARS is a 2TB drive and, even with current drive prices, $75 for a used WD10EARS (the 1TB model) is high.
     
  6. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    That was a typo it was a WD10EADS. The other WD20EARS is another I'm looking at.
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Allow me to advise against overwriting the original Premiere drive, since the only image for a Premiere is the original drive. You can't use MFS Live or WinMFS to make a truncated image the way you can with S3s and older.

    I know all about trying to do with more with less, money wise, but beware of being what they call being penny wise and pound foolish.

    Most any SATA drive 160GB or larger can be used in the S3 HD (if you mean a TCD652160)

    (If you mean a TCD648250, the original S3, then of course you need a SATA drive 250GB or larger)


    If you have a spare large enough PATA/IDE drive and adapter, you could experiment and report back.

    I suspect you'd need an adapter with a Marvell or JMicron chipset, but I've only done it the other way round so far.
     
  8. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    Thank you for the advice!!

    I have 3 premieres, from which I believe can be used to make an image for a new Hard Drive for any of them?

    The S3 is a 652160.
     
  9. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    So if you have 2 working Premieres and one sick one do you want to have to temporarily disable a second one instead of just pulling a drive off of the shelf?

    Up to you, of course, just try to forsee what you might be facing.
     
  10. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    I see your point.

    Wish I could just C&DE on the original hard drive after the upgrade then use a 40 or 80GB drive has the backup drive.
     
  11. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    Last night it hit me, I'm looking to upgrade 2 premieres...

    If I upgrade 1 with the new TB drive. I can then us that premieres drive when done, to upgrade the other series4 with the 1 TB from the series3. Then use the 652160 TBK on the 320 GB drive from the second premiere to install in to the series3, which will give my 1 original Premiere drive.

    To make it go faster,I do have a USB to SATA adapter (Laptop) for the Series 3 upgrade/downsize, along with the desktop to do the 2nd Premiere upgrade.
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I still suggest setting aside the original drive of whichever TiVo(s) you're going to upgrade and purchase extra drives as needed.

    That way you have an instant troubleshooting tool.

    But I wish you success however you approach the project.
     
  13. muerte33

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    I thought I would throw in a thank-you to all the JMFS and WINMFS developers/supporters. These instructions worked great.
    My Tivo HD drive died, so I could not back it up and restore it, but I had done an upgrade to another Tivo HD in early March, so I used that old 160gb drive to restore via JMFS. I then used the WINMFS to supersize, and now I have over 311 hours of HD using a WD20EARS drive. I never could adjust the acoustics on it, but it is so quiet, it does not matter. The idle setting change was very easy using that WD utility.

    One thing to remember for people that restore another Tivo backup is you need to go through the complete erase/delete (make it like a new "out of the box" Tivo).
    I never could get the Tivo Service number to show up until I did a complete erase.
    It showed up with all zeros instead of my real Service number (a lifetime subscription).
    I even tried forcing updates and rebooting.
    It says on the screen it could take up to an hour, but I watched it for 2+ hours, and then went to sleep. The next day it was ready for guided setup.
    I then had to deal with Comcast and the cable cards (thanks for that Comcast cable card hotline# 877-405-2298 by the way). It only took two twenty minute sessions for them to get all my paid channels back! They are getting much better at this!
    I then had to put all my season passes back.
    It would be nice if Tivo had a way to backup the old Tivo HD season pass settings to our account. I know KMTTG has some good stuff for the Tivo Premier and Elite, but there is not much for the Tivo HD. I guess we will never see any features added, like Xfinity on demand. I went ahead and ordered a Tivo Elite for $390 from Weeknees (off Amazon) just for this purpose. I hope all goes well in the San Francisco Bay area with this On Demand testing, because this is the feature I have been waiting for!

    Thanks Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. lpwcomp

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    Have you looked at the Season Pass Manager at tivo.com?
     
  15. muerte33

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    I saw that early on when it first came out, but I still don't think it allows you to save all your season passes to a restorable "file".
    You can dump them from one tivo to another.
    If they made it to where it was backed up periodically (like when you connect to do your program update), that would be great.
    Either way, I think I have them all entered back in, either as a season pass, or a wish list (because the program has no current shows scheduled).
     
  16. audiodane

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    Hello again.. I thought I'd try and re-phrase my questions in hopes to get a more clear answer:

    • What is a swap partition used for?
    • Why is a larger swap partition desirable?
    • If Tivo themselves cannot enlarge a swap partition, then why is it recommended to expand the swap partition when upgrading drives?
    • If going down the ready-to-go drive route (like "DVR_DUDE" on ebay), are there any particular questions that I should definitely ask (e.g. partition structure, etc) before purchasing? I figure if they warantee it long enough for me to boot my Tivo, I'm good. Unless someone foresees other realms of possibility that I might want to protect myself against?

    thanks so much,
    ..dane
     
  17. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    Forget the swap partition, it ok at the 128Mb, if you use DVR_DUDE, just purchase from that person as they have a good reputation and you will have no problems, one person that had a problem with this purchase was giver a replacement drive and DVR_DUDE paid shipping both ways, can't ask for much more.
    If you want to do this yourself just use the JMFS software, works great!!

    Your over analyzing this too much.
     
  18. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    Some people feel a larger swap partition is like adding more memory and a larger buffer for live recording. I'm with lessd and think my Tivo works just fine with the stock swap partition. I've increased it with some of my installs but never saw any difference that I remembered.
     
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    audiodane New Member

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    haha, tru'dat. It's been a few years since I've done an upgrade, and I've never heard of JMFS before a few weeks ago, and was trying to catch myself up. Mainly I didn't want to buy a ready-to-go drive and have to go back in at some future point and redo it manually anyway, is the only reason I was asking the questions that I did. The answers given are music to my ears. Thank you.

    Awesome. Exactly the type of information I was looking for. I figured that if Tivo themselves needed more swap space, it would have been done already and/or automatically (and future hardware may very do so).

    Thanks to you both for quick answers.

    ..dane
     
  20. audiodane

    audiodane New Member

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    I ended up having some time off when my wife had knee surgery, so I got a bare drive and followed the instructions from this thread and successfully got it to 2TB. Thanks everyone!

    Oddly, I cannot seem to get it to see my clear qam digital channels 901-905 (knology, huntsville, al). I run guided setup and select "use digital lineup, will get cablecards later" and the lineup is correct, but nothing comes through 901-905. My S3 in the family room and my dad's TivoHD both accomplished the desired effect just from doing that very task- instructing the tivo to use the digital lineup. All the OTHER digital channels are on the xx-yyy style channels and I would in fact need a CC to map them properly. But 901-905 are actually mapped to 901-905, however I cannot see them. The tivo says "searching for singnal on cable in." :(

    Interestingly, when I go to settings->channels->signal strength, tivo says that signal strength is unavailable because I have no digital channels in my lineup. :confused: I just told it to use the digital lineup-- AND I can see the guide data for those channels! :confused:

    ..dane
     

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