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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. tagm1001

    tagm1001 New Member

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    What is the consensus on Samsung drives? I am considering using SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI. Anyone know if these drives run quiet and how they compare to WD’s? Also, are there any tweaks to make this drive quiter?
     
  2. slowbiscuit

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    I just installed a Samsung F3 1TB in a Tivo HD because my less than 2 year old Hitachi 7K1000 1TB was dying. Copied it over with jmfs and it's been working great for a month now. This isn't the latest green model, it's a 7200rpm. Very quiet drive.

    The Hitachi death was weird - there weren't a lot of bad sectors, the drive would just hang randomly on reads/writes to certain areas causing a ton of stutter in the Tivo, to the point where it would reboot at times. Most shows recorded and played fine, but some wouldn't depending on the area of the drive it was on, and it slowly got worse over time.
     
  3. BigJon

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    OK, thanks for the clarification unitron. I did reinspect for the proper voltages on the caps (or at least greater than what the output dc volts was supposed to be on the given wire lead) and all was as it was supposed to have been. Made my little schematic before I desoldered all of the caps and then went to work, and picked up equivalent radial capacitors (actually, I wound up getting exactly the same spec in terms of uf, voltage, temp - - I just didn't want to add another element to possibly screw things up later). New parts ran around $12.00 and change at Fry's (and a couple of dollar’s worth of diesel back and forth). Got the new components soldered in and tested the new board voltages with the Hitachi 1 TB drive plugged in. I saw some marginal improvements. At the instant of power on, the yellow lead in the mobo plug showed + 12.38 vdc then dropped right away to 11.5 as the hard drive spun up, however voltage recovery was faster than the same test I performed on the board with the old parts. I was back to + 12.0 vcd at the end of the first minute of boot-up, and the voltage was still recovering towards some higher stasis that I did not wait to record.

    My next steps (some already taken) are to do another truncated back-up so I have the new cable card settings, as well as just new settings since the last week or so of having the Hitachi back in the Tivo, reset wdidle3 on the WD20EURS back to /d after running dlgdiag's again and doing a quick erase,
    and then doing the JFMS copy, and expand. We'll see what happens. FWIW, before I started to desolder the old caps, I had the Tivo running for a couple more days and there were no further spontaneous reboots. I am beginning to wonder if the reboots with the Hitachi had something to do with my cable card fiasco......we'll see if we start going down that path again once I put the WD20EURS in. If we do, I am going to do a JMFS copy to a 2 TB Hitachi drive I have and see how it behaves.

    Now I'm going to go offline here for a bit and turn my computer over to JFMS :D

    BJ
     
  4. BigJon

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    Well success at last (and I knock on wood as I type that :D ). My upgraded TiVo HD has been running with a WD20EURS over 24 hrs now without any spontaneous reboots and appears to be functioning normally in every respect. It reports 318 hours of HD capacity, it flawlessly copied over all of the copy protected programing I was wanting to keep, kept all of the cable card settings from the 1 TB Hitachi, and has even weathered a channel line-up change that came in from Comcast.

    For whatever reasons it was beginning to appear, to me anyway, that the WD20EURS was more sensitive to the marginal power supply components prior to my replacing them than the Hitachi drive was - the reasons for the two reboots I experienced with the Hitachi drive while I was going back-and-forth with the drives might not be known now, and we can speculate power supply caps or cable card, but I can say for sure the WD drive was barfing with the old capacitors that were giving what unitron thought were marginal/borderline to spec voltage performance on my power supply and the quick test I did on the new caps proved a much better voltage recovery after HD load than the old ones. So, I'd say this mystery is solved, and we do not need to implicate the WD20EURS, which BTW I did reset wdidle3 back to /d which was the factory default on that unit.

    Thank you unitron, and all else who suggested ideas for your help with this issue. Much appreciated.

    BJ
     
  5. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Good to hear.

    You should be able to find some Hitachi diagnostic software online somewhere and run their long test on that 1TB, and if it passes, format it all one big NT partition and stick it in a PC running TiVo Desktop and use it for extra show storage.
     
  6. David Vaughn

    David Vaughn New Member

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    I need an image for a TCD 65800. Is there anywhere I can download one from?
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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  8. audiodane

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    Hello- Just procured a used (stock) TivoHD/Lifetime with original 160GB drive to replace my frustratingly slow TCD540 Series2..

    While I have the skills a plenty to perform an upgrade to a 2TB drive following the instructions herein, I just flat don't have the time. I'm looking to buy a ready-to-go 2TB drive for my stock TivoHD, but not pay an arm-and-a-leg for it. I'm willing to pay a premium, yes, but a reasonable one. I *greatly* respect Weaknees, but $299 for a ready-to-go 2TB drive is ridiculous in my opinion.


    Obviously a $30 premium is lower than a $50 premium, so I ask, has anyone any knowledge of eBay's "uoph" and how they structure their drive? I certainly don't want to pay a premium only to find out that I need to redo the upgrade from scratch in a few months due to something they did wrong..

    Also, as a side question- When I upgraded my TivoHD about a year ago with a Hitachi drive, Amazon had it for something like $60! Now everything seems to be over $100. What gives? Supply/demand problems?

    thanks in advance,
    ..dane
     
  9. GBK33

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    I have looked through this thread and cannot find an answer. If it is already answered, I apologize. I need to format a new hard drive for a Tivo unit. The old hard drive is bad and needs to be replaced. What software will format a new hard drive for a Tivo?

    Thank you
     
  10. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    If you can find an image for your specific Tivo model in this thread and have access to a PC with Windows, you can use WinMFS to do a restore to a new hard drive.

    Edit: Note if you go this route, you will have to perform a Clear and Delete everything once it is installed in the Tivo.
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    What model TiVo? Is the old drive totally dead?
     
  12. unitron

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    Last fall there was devastating flooding in Thailand that destroyed a big chunk of the world's hard drive manufacturing capability, as well a big chunk of their supply chain.

    The people selling ready to go drives have to provide particular models that have no problems working in a TiVo, and provide a warranty to you.

    Up to you if you think the price is reasonable or not, and whether you want to spend the money or spend the time.

    If you decide to spend the time I have a couple of suggestions based on my own experience.
     
  13. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    The real question is how much is your time worth. Hooking the drive and loading an image using WinMFS takes minutes. And you can do other things while the image is being put on the drive and you can leave the current Tivo in place until you have another 10 minutes to switch the drive.

    I honestly think you'll spend more time finding and ordering the drive then you would switching it in the Tivo (if you're a deal hunter like me).
     
  14. Soapm

    Soapm Active Member

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    How long should we give them a pass on this? The longer we regurgitate this excuse the longer the prices will stay up. Perhaps we should say the prices are high as well as the profits at the drive manufactures and the bonuses of those executives which is probably more true than the Thai story... (that my $00.02)..
     
  15. unitron

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    Prior to the flood competition between the drive makers was driving prices down.

    Are you saying that they took advantage of the flood damage to collude to fix prices?
     
  16. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Of course. All of the drive and component manufacturers should have been back up to full capacity as soon as the flood waters receded.:rolleyes:
     
  17. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    As others have at least implied, the word "format" doesn't really cover what you need to do to the drive. You need to load it with the version of TiVo operating system and application software appropriate for your unit. This is done by copying an image (available for download) onto it, or you can buy a drive preloaded with the software.
     
  18. audiodane

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    Thanks. I have read a few things about a larger swap partition, but cannot find answers to two questions: First, "why?" Why is a larger swap partition desirable, what is it used for and why does bigger mean better? The second question is, can Tivo software enlarge the partition on-the-fly? (I know, typically it would be sandwiched between two other partitions so "no," but sometimes the stupid questions are the most useful!) In other words, if Tivo themselves are "stuck" with a "smaller" swap partition, then what good does it do anyone else to have a larger one?

    The other questions that I have involve how the eBay sellers structure their drives; Are there anything in particular that I need to ask them before I purchase, that I might regret down-the-road if they didn't do it right? I have read things in this thread about partition sizes and other issues. What types of structures on the drive do I need to ensure exist and/or do-NOT exist, before I purchase a prepared drive?

    $30 (or $50 for that matter) is a good chunk of change, but 2012 to-date has been the busiest year on record for myself and my family. It has been absolutely NUTS. Hooking up a drive may take ten minutes, but getting out the mainboard, power supply, finding and burning the necessary CDs, sitting down hooking it all up, running the software, having to go unhook everything and put everything back away-- it becomes an all-evening ordeal. All my home computers are laptops. I have a mainboard and ATX power supply available to do the job that I just lay on the kitchen table when I need to use them (along with digging up a keyboard, mouse, and monitor!), but it's just even more steps involved. So the time it takes me in particular may be longer than the time it may take you who may already have everything prepared and who may have already used this particular software before.

    Given $30/$50 premium, the more important question for me -- based on reading a dozen or more of the most recent pages of this thread -- is whether or not these drives in particular are in fact structured the way they should be structured. If not, I'll do it myself. If so, I'll buy one ready-to-go. Given the price of the Weaknees drives, I would by all means do it myself. But $30/$50 is a small price to pay for such convenience at the moment.

    I think "executive greed" is less a factor than others. It may very well be that supply/demand was upset and drove costs up. But the reality is that whatever people are currently paying, they are STILL paying. Just like when gas shot up three-fold in the early 2000's, the prices remained because the market in fact continued to buy and supported the new prices. A risky move by "big oil" that really paid off. If the market wouldn't bear the price of drives, then the price of drives would drop.

    If the sudden rise was due to a flood as mentioned, then I think over TIME the prices will likely fall again due to normal competition. But a sudden drop would only occur if the market was unwilling to bear the current price, which I don't think is the case.

    cheers,
    ..dane
     
  19. GBK33

    GBK33 New Member

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    TiVo premiere - drive is screwed up. Got it from weaknees, and they won't help me. Thanks for the replies
     
  20. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Did you get the Premiere from weaknees, or just the drive?

    If the entire TiVo, did they replace the stock internal with a larger drive before selling it to you?

    If you only got the drive from them, what became of the Premiere's original drive?
     

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