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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Feb 1, 2011 #21 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    I can't confirm if JMFS will work with the Tivo HDXL (like you, I imagine that it would), but since WinMFS can work, I'd recommend that first. WinMFS can do a truncated backup and restore from that truncated backup, so it would be faster and more efficient to use that. Duplicating 1TB via JMFS, especially through a dock and the documented time it's taken others to duplicate the 320GB of the Premiere implies it might take 36 hours or so to duplicate the THDXL's 1TB.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2011 #22 of 657
    richsadams

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    So you're recommending creating a truncated backup of a TiVo HDXL's 1TB drive via winMFS and then using that image to upgrade to a 2TB drive with jmfs? I understand the time concept being superior but since a 2TB upgrade can't be done using winMFS I guess I'm not clear on how or if that would work...or how it would work for folks wanting to save all of their recordings as well. Or am I confused (nothing unusual)?
     
  3. Feb 1, 2011 #23 of 657
    lynnalexandra

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    L. David - thank you for the guidance about cloning with Acronis (if the drive is even readable) - and booting from the acronis bootable cd (and not letting windows run). So first I'll have to see if my drive is readable - not sure how to do this other than putting the drive in another enclosure (or esata dock?) - connect that to the Tivo HD - see if the Tivo can find the external drive?

    Thanks.
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  4. Feb 1, 2011 #24 of 657
    richsadams

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    If there's a problem with data corruption on the external drive, cloning it would just transfer the problem. If the drive itself is good and the enclosure is the problem, then putting it in another enclosure (probably not a dock per my other post) would resolve things.

    In your case there's a very good chance that the problem is with the hard drive itself and not the enclosure since you're using an MX-1. The enclosure idea came from the experiences of folks using the original 500GB WD My DVR Expanders. Those enclosures seemed to cause about 50% of the failure rate. Your setup is different.

    FWIW Windows used to auto-format drives back in the Win95 days or so. Now there's no problem connecting a TiVo drive to a Windows machine (something one must do to run winMFS of course). The issue arises if someone were to use Windows Disk Management to format the drive so that they could "see" the drive on their Windows machine via "My Computer". Doing that could/would wipe the boot partition making it useless to TiVo.

    2nd FWIW, the free unix/linux programs dd or dd rescue can create an identical copy of a hard drive. But again, garbage in, garbage out or an unnecessary activity in this case.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2011 #25 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    Hmm, maybe I'm confused. I was under the impression that a Tivo HDXL could be upgraded to 2TB using WinMFS because the original Tivo HDXL drive is already 1TB and can be expanded by a maximum of 1.1TB more, which could then max out a 2TB drive. In the case of the Tivo HD, we start with 160GB, so with WinMFS we would only be able to expand up to 1.26TB.

    So my suggestion for Tivo HDXL owners (assuming that WinMFS does work in this situation) is to just use WinMFS. They can use the truncated backup if there are no shows they need to save or use the full copy (mfscopy) if they want to save their shows.
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #26 of 657
    L David Matheny

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    (I just saw your other thread.) I defer to Rich's judgment and (probably to a lesser extent) that of the TiVo tech. Rich is probably right that cloning isn't likely to get you anywhere, but when you have a clone in hand, even a corrupted one, you are free to "have your way with it" without fear of harming the original. Of course in your situation peace of mind would come only from having clones of both drives, internal and external.

    One other thought, if money is no object: You could save both current drives pending some future breakthrough or insight and go ahead with your upgrade to a new 2TB drive (from the original 160GB) using Comer's JMFS. This would be like Dr. House putting the patient on ice to have more time for differential diagnosis. Once you've upgraded though, you would have to be pretty confident of success to take your TiVo apart again.

    OK, one more thought: If money is really no object, this might be the time to consider buying a Premiere to use for the 2TB upgrade. Good luck!
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #27 of 657
    richsadams

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    LOL...what a great and oh-so-apropos analogy! :D

    FWIW I'm hoping that Lynn will be able to run the Kickstarts, get everything resolved and then go ahead and upgrade to a 2TB internal drive. Fingers crossed.
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #28 of 657
    lynnalexandra

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    L. David - I wish money were no object at all - but $300 for the Premiere and another $300 for a life time subscription is a lot to pay when I have a Tivo HD - who internal upgraded 1TB drive seems to be fine - and I have a lifetime subscription on it. I have a perfectly fine Tivo - it's the external drive that's the problem. If the Tivo itself were failed - or didn't have a lifetime guarantee, I could see getting the Premier.

    My main problem now is whether I can save my data.

    I love the idea of putting the patient on ice - only it would mean putting a living breathing tivo HD on ice (that has cable cards paired already) - and dealing with Comcast again.

    Rich - I wish I could get kickstart running - but my many attempts didn't work. I followed the Tivo instructions - but the machine never responded. Too bad the problem is not likely to be the enclosure. I guess that's why the Antec's are so expensive compared to other enclosures.

    I am puzzled at why the kickstart gets no response. Not really sure what else to try - although when I get some time this weekend, I'll hook it all back up again and try - just in case.

    Thanks.
    Lynn.
     
  9. Feb 5, 2011 #29 of 657
    nooneuknow

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    I have successfully upgraded my TiVo HDs using JMFS for copying and expanding, then using WinMFS to SuperSize them.

    It cured the problem I was having using the "Broflovski Image" to get to 2TB.

    That problem involved getting caught is GSOD loops when using KS commands, which would require re-imaging, as well as losing everything that was on the unit.

    Best of luck.
     
  10. Feb 7, 2011 #30 of 657
    Wulf

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    I just want to report another success upgrading a TivoHD to 2TB using comer's JMFS tool, and the instructions at the start of this thread. A couple of observations and hints for other relative newbs like me:

    1. I used a WD20EARS drive.
    2. wdidle3 is a DOS application. I burned a boot CD image from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ so I could boot to DOS and the run wdidle3 from there.
    3. HDDScan wouldn't allow me to make the AAM changes on my drive, so I used an older version of the Hitachi Feature Tool to make the change. I think HDDScan would have worked if I had right clicked the executable and chosen "Run as Administrator", but I didn't think of that at the time.
    4. JMFS worked without any issues and was super-easy to use.
    5. WinMFS did not detect any of my hard drives at first, but then I figured out that I had to copy the executable to my Windows 7 system's hard drive, right click and choose "Run as Administrator" and then it showed the Tivo drive.
    6. WinMFS executes the Supersize command pretty much instantly. There's no feedback that it has done it, but the Tivo says it did based on seeing 318 hours of space.
    7. My PC case is accessible so I did all the connecting of drives right to the motherboard. This eliminated any concerns with using external drive docks.
    Thank you to comer for developing the process and others who have posted useful info to enable expansion of the TivoHD to 2TB.
     
  11. Feb 8, 2011 #31 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    This message: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8367552#post8367552

    Mentions copying and expanding a drive done with Winmfs. Previously, I had tried this and JMFS did not even recognize the copied drive.

    So, I used JMFS rev 1.04 to copy, expand and supersize the stock drive to a 1 TB WD10EADS drive. I plugged the 1TB and a Samsung 2TB directly into the SATA ports on a motherboard. And both drives have been recognized and it is working on the copy process at this moment. Will be back in 8 hours..... :)

    for the record.... my previous experiments were done using REV .68 of JMFS.
     
  12. Feb 9, 2011 #32 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    Ok, evidently you can now use Comer's REV 1.04 JMFS to copy and expand a non stock expanded drive to a larger drive.

    Using WINMFS I copied the THD 160 gig to a 1 TB WD10EADS and expanded and turned on supersize. It completed with no errors.

    I then ran JMFS using the 1TB and a Samsung 2TB. It recognized both drives, did the copy with no errors and then did the expand.

    Put the 2TB in the THD and after a while it finally came up and it shows 318 HD hours.

    Scotty
     
  13. Feb 9, 2011 #33 of 657
    supersnoop

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    Did you run WinMFS's supersize on the 2TB drive?
     
  14. Feb 9, 2011 #34 of 657
    KenVa

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    I didn't do that because it is already showing 318HRs. From what I read earlier in this thread that is what you get after running supersize. However Win MFS supersize was run on the first disk upgrade that I used for the source for this copy.
     
  15. Feb 9, 2011 #35 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    For some unknown reason I had supersized the stock drive some time ago. So when I copy and expand a target drive it carries that setting along with the new drive.
    And since I had already upgraded my THD and TP using rev .86 I never thought of trying rev 1.04 to see if it would read an already expanded drive.

    Kenva deserves the kudos for trying that!

    No matter how you cut it.... JMFS will still not tweak the supersize option on a THD.
     
  16. Feb 9, 2011 #36 of 657
    richsadams

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    Nice work confirming that...that's great to know! :up:
     
  17. Feb 12, 2011 #37 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    Thanks to you both for confirming this new option that'll let people preserve their current recordings! I've updated the first post now with this new alternative.

    Looking back at my experiments, this was one option that I definitely missed out on trying - the most I did with the expanded drive was to make a truncated backup and use that as a source (which failed). Out of curiosity, how long did it take to copy over 1TB?
     
  18. Feb 12, 2011 #38 of 657
    Wulf

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    I can also confirm that this process just worked for me. I was able to upgrade my previously upgraded TivoHD to 2TB. The TivoHD had been previously copied/expanded/supersized from the stock 160GB drive to a Hitachi 7K1000.C 1TB drive using WinMFS. I just copied/expanded that to a Samsung F4 HD204UI 2TB drive using JMFS. The copy took about 5 hours with both drives connected to my PC motherboard (no USB docks). JMFS showed an expanded capacity of 288 hours, but the Tivo confirms it's 318 hours. Previous recordings were all preserved.

    Thanks again to Comer for the great JMFS tool, and the other pioneers for discovering this new upgrade path.

    I guess I need to put together a sig, but I have two THDs, both now at 2TB, plus three Series 2 Tivo/DVD combos all using Tivo Basic, and all upgraded to 500GB drives. Two of the Series 2s will be retired soon - one of the THDs is taking their place.
     
  19. Feb 12, 2011 #39 of 657
    Wulf

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    In the past with my Series 2 Tivos, I replaced the hard drives proactively after about three or four years, and at the same time expanded to more capacity. For example, a Toshiba SD-H400 upgraded from the original 80GB drive to 160GB, then three years later upgrade from 160GB to 500GB. I never had any issues because I was always expanding to more capacity.

    Now, with a THD upgraded to a 2TB drive using JMFS and WinMFS, I'm at the max size limit. If I want to proactively replace that drive in three years, the new drive will probably be no larger than the same 2TB, and it might be a couple of bits or bytes smaller depending on the brand/model. Using today's tools (JMFS, WinMFS), would I run into problems trying to copy to a drive with a bit less capacity?
     
  20. Feb 12, 2011 #40 of 657
    richsadams

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    If your 2TB drive is still functioning normally you should be able to use dd or dd_rescue to make a bit-for-bit copy instead. Of course it's also quite possible that by then the Series6 TiVo's will have a 10TB capacity. ;)
     

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