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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    "As far as the instructions go for copying the settings and programs, I am assuming the "expand" command is done in the jmfs environment but I will still need to come back to winmfs in Windows to execute "supersize" before I install the new drive."

    Correct, although you can go ahead and supersize the 1TB Hitachi with WinMFS first and then copy it to the 2TB with jmfs and add the 16th and final partition with jmfs.

    Supersizing uses some of one of the original factory TiVo partitions and "unreserves" it, so you can do it anytime.

    Apparently at least in part because of the CPU used in the original Series 1, TiVo chose to use the old Apple Partition Map way of formatting a hard drive, or at least a version of the APM.

    The first partition of an Apple Partition Map formatted drive is always the partition map itself, regardless of what it's used in.
     
  2. BigJon

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    I hope I am not boring the forum with my dense head: Thanks for the response unitron, but I fear I may have missed something or something may have been missing from the partition table/zone map info. I am doggone near certain I supersized the Hitachi drive using winmfs when I did the original upgrade from the 160 gb drive - that's how I got to 157 hrs. of HD capacity. Do I need to run it again before I start the 1 tb to 2 tb upgrade?

    Thanks,

    BJ
     
  3. unitron

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    Somewhere in the TiVo software it says to reserve some of one of the original MFS partitions for the "Showcases" it downloads or records in the middle of the night.

    Supersize undoes that instruction. Once that's been done, it's been done, and just like cable card pairing and what your zip code is, it should survive backups, expansions, etc.

    You can hook up the Hitachi, run WinMFS and tell it to supersize, and either it'll do it or tell you it can't or that it already has, I suspect.
     
  4. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    Go ahead and get your cable card(s) and everything else properly set up.

    Then you can use jmfs to go to 2TB and put the original on the shelf, and both drives will be set up for your cable setup and zip code and such, so if you ever need to put the original drive back in as a troubleshooting measure, it'll already be set up the way it needs to be.
     
  5. ThreeSoFar

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    And you can charge your friends a case of beer to upgrade their new Premieres using your drive as the source. They'll just have to run "Clear and Delete Everything" to get it to work on their hardware.

    PS: Don't do this if you don't want them to see your season passes and wish lists. E.g., the "naked elvis" keywords wish list could lead to some awkwardness if they stumble on it before they CADE.
     
  6. unitron

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    Naked young skinny elvis or naked old fat elvis?
     
  7. ThreeSoFar

    ThreeSoFar FourNow...WaitFive

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    "naked elvis" should catch both. Or...err...I'd have to assume that's the case anyway.
     
  8. Soapm

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    So close,...
    No substitute for experience...
     
  9. BigJon

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    WooHoo!! The process was actually easier than I had imagined. Thanks to Tivoitis for his original instructions on upgrading the TiVo HD to 2TB using JMFS, thanks to Commer for the original Premier upgrade process and the wonderful JMFS tool, thanks again to unitron for his guidance on fine tuning the process. I used a WD20EURS for my TiVo 652160 which already had a supersized Hitachi 1TB Deskstar HDD in it. Here are the steps I used for the upgrade:

    1. Built an ISO image bootable disc containing the Hitachi feature tools, the latest Western Digital DLGDIAG tool, and WDIDLE3.EXE (if you use the WD20EURS you can use any DOS boot disk with the two Western Digital programs as the only reason for the Hitachi tools is to set the AAM to 128 and it is already there on the EURS....the Hitachi program is one way to to get a handy bootable CD however)

    2. Ensured AAM setting with the Hitachi feature tool

    3. Ran full diagnostic routine from the DLGDIAG menu (this takes awhile)

    4. Ran WDIDLE3.EXE with the /r switch and discovered that in the case of my WD20EURS the idle timer had already been disabled. I then ran WDIDLE3 /d just to be safe and got the same message; that the idle timer was disabled

    5. Disconnected my Windows HDD's (all SATA) and hooked up my Hitachi 1TB and the WD20EURS to my Asus P5B SATA 1 and 2 ports respectively

    6. Booted with the JMFS boot disc and followed the menu instructions for a) first doing the [c] copy of my Hitachi drive to the Western Digital drive, and then b) doing the [e] expand function, and then c) selecting the shutdown function and your pc will shutdown.

    7. Since my Hitachi drive had already been supersized by winfms/mfslive when I did the original upgrade three or four years ago, those settings (the supersize settings) were copied over and I was pretty sure I didn't need to do anything further, but put the new WD20EURS into the TiVo HD box, which I did.

    8. Went through a normal boot up, and then soft boot process, both successful, and the settings screen reports "account in good standing" ;) and 318 hours of HD capacity available :D I went through and checked the movies that had been copy-protected and I wanted to keep on the TiVo HDD and they copied over in perfect order from the old Hitachi 1TB to the new WD 2TB :up: So, all in all, I am a happy camper and very pleased with the process (there were many hours of HD programming that I wanted to keep and the copy process ran overnight). I will be making a donation to Commer for this most very useful tool JMFS. Thanks again to all for their help.

    BJ
     
  10. BigJon

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    Alas, wdidle3.exe misled me, as others have reported it has with this very same model drive (EURS). For whatever reasons, the softboot showed a successful restart without any sign of trouble. My first hint of things amis was the dozen or so recordings I had queued up for copying over to "my tivo recordings" network drive on my PC overnight; the first recording failed about 40 minutes into the process, and I was intent on blaming my new installation of Windows 7 (first time I had used TiVo Desktop in that configuration). Then I sat down to watch some TV and noticed that it was a bit odd that a show I had deleted the day before was showing up back in the Now Playing list. I chocked that up to faulty memory :eek: (on my part) and went on to watch something that had been recorded only to see it freeze frame after about 10 minutes and then the "Welcome Powering Up Message" sign show up. Well, this goose chase went on for a little bit, each time degenerating......I got all the way through boot-up that first time while watching it; almost the second time (the intro video was running); and by the third time the oft spoken of loop was going on, but I was also looking at a GSOD....or so I thought.

    I removed the drive, booted up the Hitachi PC Dos disc again that had the WD programs on it and ran the DLGDIAG program and found no errors (first good news) and then ran wdidle3 /s300 which in the last 24 hours has seemed to have solved the problem. Will report otherwise if I see some new bug crop up.

    BJ
     
  11. BigJon

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    :mad: Well, I am about to take the WD20EURS out and use it for archiving or some other home network use.....it does not seem to want to work in my TiVo HD. I couldn't even get 24 hrs. straight with the wdidle3 set to the maximum /s300. I found my unit in a loop when I went to watch a pre-recorded program. I was able to get through the cold boot process (kill power for 15 seconds, then power back up) but the inconsistancy/hit-or-miss nature of the performance of the drive means I can't trust the unit to record season passes or other scheduled shows if I'm not there to make sure it didn't go into never-never land and get it to wake up with a cold boot.

    I almost went with the WD20EARS or WD20EARX; now I am beginning to wonder if I ought to just steer away from any Western Digital drive because of this doggone intellipark issue. Anyone have some suggestions? That old Hitachi worked well for three years - I wonder if I should try to stick with a Hitachi drive.

    BJ
     
  12. L David Matheny

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    I'm wondering if the real problem is the "advanced format" (4K sectors). Is anyone using one of the new advanced-format WD drives with no problems? Of course it could be something else entirely.
     
  13. BigJon

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    The copy process worked flawlessly. All of the old programs are pefectly intact. I don't think it is the format issue, I am pretty convinced by the behavior it is the idle timer or intellipark issu - It records perfectly as well when it doesn't "go to sleep". When it is in its narcoleptic fits, I can hear the disc spin down and a clicking noise that I believe has been reported elsewhere as the heads parking. So, the problem remains if there is a period of five minutes where the hard drive doesn't see a comand from the processor, the idle timer kicks in and parks the heads. What bothers me, is the wdidle3.exe program reporting the timer disabled in the begining, and then when I persisted by giving the /d command anyway and verifying it was still disabled I ran into the reboot loop problem pretty quick. But I am now seeing that the /s300 (five minutes) option doesn't get me home free either. Doggone I wish hard drives weren't so darned expesnive right now.......
     
  14. L David Matheny

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    Problems with 4K sectors would probably show up as symptoms that could be caused by timing glitches resulting from misalignment of TiVo's reading and writing activities. But I think others have used those drives with no obvious problems. Parking the heads would be a symptom of an IntelliPark issue, but surely that wouldn't spin the drive down, would it? (Anybody?)

    Check your drive's power connections. I've seen (years ago) computer hard drives get flaky and even spin down because of a loose power connector. And if you can, check the output voltages of your power supply under load, especially the 12 volt. TiVo power supplies can fail, too. Look for bulging capacitors while you're in there. And check the specs to see how much power your drive draws. When I put a 1TB in my TiVo HD or a 2TB in my Premiere (I forget which now), I was surprised to see that it actually draws less power than the OEM drive. One reason people avoid 7200 rpm drives is that they draw more power (causing them to also generate more heat).
     
  15. unitron

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    The hard drive in a TiVo is working every fraction of every second, if nothing else writing and reading back the 30 minute cache.

    The only time it gets a break is when you pull the power cord out of the wall, or when the TiVo does a soft reboot.

    It's the soft reboot where Intellipark causes problems.

    Maybe you got a good model, but a bad indivual unit of that model.

    Or maybe you copied over corrupt data from the Hitachi, and that's causing the problem.
     
  16. BigJon

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    I even tried getting it to record while trying to watch a different show previously recorded. All I know is, this afternoon when I first reported the bug, it was doing its reboot loop every couple of hours. My wife and I tried to watch an epsiode of Harry's Law this evening and we went from 10 minute increments to five minute increments to 30 seconds before giving up and killing power to the entire entertainment system - in other-words, the TiVo was going into reboot mode every few minutes even with obivous pronounced disc activity (I had no idea there was as much until unitron posted his coment above). I am going to put the old 1 TB Hitachi back in tomorrow and see what happens. While I am doing that, I will take a peek at voltages with the current HDD in it before I pull it.....I have already inspected the capacitors....all good there.

    Thanks for the help everyone. This is getting a little frustrating.

    BJ
     
  17. unitron

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    You mentioned wanting to save some of the stuff on the Hitachi.

    If you haven't added any non-expendable recordings to the WD, download my TCD652160 images (that's your model number, right?) and use WinMFS to restore the .tbk one to the WD, but don't let it expand, just let it use the first 160GB.

    Try that in your TiVo.

    You'll have to go through Guided Setup and all that, but the software won't be suspect, so that eliminates a variable.

    Actually if you have a known good SATA drive of 160GB or larger, that would work as well.

    If the TiVo is currently soft-rebooting, but actually able to get past the welcome screen to the few more minutes screen and then on to TiVo Central and being able to watch live tv and change channels or play back recordings, even if it reboots again after a few minutes, then Intellipark is probably disabled, because with the factory default setting of 8 seconds, it prevents a reboot from ever getting past the welcome screen (which is on the motherboard) to the few more minutes screen (which is on the hard drive).

    I suppose it is just barely possible that Intellipark is disabled by having the "no activity" period set to something high, like 5 minutes, which ordinarily would amount to the same thing, but that the Intellipark timer is not getting the message that drive activity is going on, even though it is, and so is putting the drive to sleep at the end of the 5 minutes, which would cause a reboot.

    I consider the chances of that to be extremely unlikely and would suspect other causes first, like something wrong on the motherboard, or even more likely, something wrong with the power supply despite lack of visual evidence.
     
  18. BigJon

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    Thanks unitron, as you also suggested I may download your image for the TDC652160 - also, I do have a clean 1 TB drive (a WD10EVDS) and I also have the original 160 GB drive, although that was before cable made it out to my house (I live out in the boonies and in the foothills where ridge and tree-lines made satellite a no-go, but managed to get a decent digital signal from a roof-top antenna from Seattle) so the original drive will be sans cable card settings.

    There is one show on the WD I am trying to copy off to my PC as I type this. I am now suspecting an issue with the power supply, tivo mother board, or the new WD that is heat related. I noted a pattern of the reboots getting closer and closer together the longer the unit had been running. After a cold soak overnight, we finally got through the show that we were trying to watch in five minute increments between reboots last night. I am hoping to get the 2 hrs of material copied off before it goes into loops, and then I will start some diagnostics - strange that none of this was going on before the drive upgrade. Just an occsasional freeze frame and stutter that made me think the Hitachi was showing its age.

    BJ
     
  19. L David Matheny

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    Have you verified that the cooling fan is working? They fail sometimes, too.
     
  20. BigJon

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    I had it apart and checked the fan operation, which appeared to be normal - it put out a pretty good draw. Hard drive power and data connections were all secure, and the cables looked to be fine. I checked no-load voltages coming from the power supply output to the motherboard and found votages of just over 3 vdc on one of the pins and just over 6 vdc on three or four of the others (sorry at this point I can't remember and it seems this is not the issue anyway at this point), with no voltage on the remaining pins (using a power supply mounting screw as the ground). Did not have a small enough probe to check votage output on the HDD power cord.

    Put the original 160 GB HDD in and booted up and went through guided setup - unfortunately wound up with someone at Comcast who could see my cable card but could not understand how to flash it/pair it back up to my TiVo so I wound up with three year old programs (time capsule :) ) and the inability to watch in antenna reception because it kept trying to find cable channels the cable card wouldn't let it have - however, I think the culprit in all this may be pointing back to the WD20EURS. I replaced the hard drive in the middle of the Tivo having one of its reboot loops that wound up locking it into GSOD, so the good effects of last nights cold soak were long gone (and I didn't quite make the program transfer either....the unit's up time before the first re-boot was about three and a half hours - or about 20 minutes short of completing the program transfer). The original HDD has been running now for about three hours and no re-boots. If it is still awake tomorrow morning, I am going to put the 1 TB Hitachi back in and then ponder why the WD20EURS failed......and what is wrong with it since DLGDiagnostic dosn't report any errors. This continues to be a frustrating problem to chase out.

    BJ
     

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