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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Sep 6, 2011 #261 of 657
    dwit

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    I'm pretty sure you will find that the CDE is what was needed. Whenever you use another hard drive or image other than drive/image coupled to your Tivo's motherboard, CDE must be done.
     
  2. Sep 6, 2011 #262 of 657
    jfh3

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    I thought I saw this earlier in the thread, but can't find.

    Can I take a virgin Premiere 320 drive expand it to 2TB and use it in a Premiere XL without any trouble?

    I know I will have to do a CADE on initial setup, but should there be any other issues?
     
  3. Sep 6, 2011 #263 of 657
    yukit

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    Yep. That was the issue. I must have used the original hard drive from another TivoHD for the source of JMFS. Thanks.
     
  4. Sep 6, 2011 #264 of 657
    unitron

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    You are talking about watching the shows on the actual TiVo on which they were recorded, right? Since those recordings are tied to the TiVo Service Number of the unit on which they were recorded?
     
  5. Sep 6, 2011 #265 of 657
    Alvysyngr

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    I burned JMFS to a cd to boot to, added my TiVo s3 250gb drive and a 2tb wd drive, when I boot it goes through Linux boot up and get to a screen that says "there were no TiVo drives detected on your system. If you are planning to add a drive using USB do it now....". What am I doing wrong? Is there a certain sata order?
     
  6. Sep 7, 2011 #266 of 657
    tiassa

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    I'm curious as to how you are connecting the SATA drives. Are you plugging them into the motherboard? If so, the first thing to do is see if the computer's BIOS recognizes the presence of the SATA drives. If you are using a USB to SATA converter, I would try plugging the drives into different USB ports, I've seen computers that have "issues" with USB drives plugged into one USB Port but not another.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2011 #267 of 657
    Alvysyngr

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    I just read that the method I was trying doesn't work with my oled box. Off to find those directions. Sigh
     
  8. Sep 7, 2011 #268 of 657
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately there are no "directions" that will allow you to upgrade your original Series3 TiVo to anything more than 1.3TB's. Here are the instructions for upgrading the original Series3:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160
     
  9. Sep 7, 2011 #269 of 657
    tiassa

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    OK, with Tivo#2 happily upgraded to 2tb, it is time to deal with Tivo#1. Tivo#1 is a THD with the default 160gb drive and the 500gb My DVR Expander. It has been active for a little more than 3 years and is showing "distant early warning" signs of Disk trouble (minor recording glitches, some pixellation), which is why I upgraded Tivo#2 first (Tivo#2 is sort of the Backup, we use it to record when both tuners on #1 are occupied) if Tivo#1 went south I could swap it out)
    My question is: IS there a way to upgrade a THD and My DVR expander, can I plug them all into SATA ports on a PC and have JMFS "see" all of them? I'm thinking this is not the case, but I would be nice to keep the content that is currently on the drive (a lot of which is copy protected). I can physically swap the 2 Tivos, but then I'd have to rename them (they are currently named "office" and "Living Room") and change over all the season passes.
    I'm just looking for general advice nothing is critical at the moment so since I have time to think about what to do next I figured I'd get some advice from those who know more that I.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2011 #270 of 657
    richsadams

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    Your thinking is correct. You have to properly divorce your Expander prior to upgrading. Unfortunately you cannot save the recordings made from the point that the Expander was attached. You could transfer your (non copy-protected) recordings to your "new" TiVo. You could also save them to your computer via TiVo Desktop or a third-party application like KMTTG and then moving them back later (although transferring them is much easier unless you want to archive any on your computer).

    That's exactly what I've done a couple of times. Renaming them is easy on tivo.com (give them a day or so to reflect the name change). If you use the Season Pass Manager on tivo.com you can easily copy SP's from one TiVo to the other...takes only a couple of minutes.
     
  11. Sep 7, 2011 #271 of 657
    mattack

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    Wait, not with jmfs, but can't he use the old "two drives to one" upgrade process?
     
  12. Sep 7, 2011 #272 of 657
    richsadams

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    If you mean combining a DVR Expander and and internal drive's recordings that's never been an option AFAIK. Did I miss something along the way?
     
  13. Sep 7, 2011 #273 of 657
    lpwcomp

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    John's...
    He's talking about using the same MFS Tools method that was used when you had a two internal drive TiVo and wanted to go (back) to one (larger) internal. Probably won't work, but has anyone tried it?
     
  14. Sep 7, 2011 #274 of 657
    richsadams

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    Ah, got it. Oh yes...everything under the sun was attempted to combine Expander and internal drive recordings (numerous threads and posts over at mfslive.org/forums) but no one succeeded to my knowledge.

    The difference is that recordings on dual drive setups went to drive A or drive B, so it was basically "stand alone" data that could be combined.

    In the case of external TiVo drives, the data is striped across both drives (in compliance with legal requirements to prevent people moving recordings from one machine to another) and in the end could not be "married".
     
  15. Sep 7, 2011 #275 of 657
    mattack

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    Oh, I thought external drive Tivo drives were essentially the same as two-drive-internal old TiVos (except SATA vs IDE).
     
  16. Sep 7, 2011 #276 of 657
    richsadams

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    Unfortunately not.
     
  17. Sep 7, 2011 #277 of 657
    unitron

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    They (or the content providers who would sue them into oblivion) are deathly afraid of an option they think will allow separating the recording from the recording device, so once an external drive is added each recording gets spread across both, apparently. Sort of like RAID striping.

    It strikes me as a stupid and unneccessary complication, since treating it the same as a second internal drive would still leave you with recordings tied to the device (which is why you can't move an internal drive from one TiVo to another of the same model and watch recordings made on the first on the second), and anyone who can "decode" those recordings wouldn't think twice about opening up the TiVo and doing the same with the recordings on it.
     
  18. Sep 7, 2011 #278 of 657
    yukit

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    Just to add one more data point on the recent WD20EARS drive, soft-reboot did work a couple of times while I was trying to get the drive working, but it did lock up at least once during a soft-reboot, so it is probably a good pre-caution to do wdidle3 on the drive to be safe. I am running 11.0k version.
     
  19. Sep 8, 2011 #279 of 657
    gr8dude

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    Field report from Australia: Works for an Australian Tivo HD. Followed the instructions from the first post in this thread and the tips in other posts (including being sure to do "Run as Administrator" when running WinMFS at the end for the Supersize).

    I had upgrading the TiVo originally back in 2008 to a 1TB WD10EVCS with WinMFS. The other day after reading this thread bought a new 2TB WD20EURS. I checked the drive first with the WDidle util boot CD and did need to change the timeout to 300.

    Hard drives were connected by motherboard SATA ports on a Core 2 Duo Windows 7 machine (not that the installed OS matters for JMFS!)

    Then used JMFS for the (very slow!) copy from the WD10EVCS to the WD20EURS and then the expand (very quick). I started the machine and left it and did other things and it took somewhere around 6-8 hours. Then rebooted and did the WinMFS Supersize.

    No errors during the copy, and the TiVo is now reporting double the space (400 hours HD - HD is a different format in Australia, so hours numbers are not the same).

    Quite easy really - probably helped by previous WinMFS use, and making sure I read the first post of this thread very carefully to avoid pitfalls.

    I do have a suggestion for the insructions. Since with JMFS 1.04 it is now possible to use it to do this upgrade most of the time, should the line "Given our current experience, it doesn't seem possible to upgrade from an expanded drive to a 1.5TB/2.0TB drive." have a STRIKETHROUGH put over it, and a note added at the end like "(no longer always true, please see below)"

    What do you guys think? That line confused me initially.

    Thank you to Tivoitis for starting this very useful thread and all who have added to it!
     
  20. Sep 8, 2011 #280 of 657
    tiassa

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    Yeah, I misread the FAQ -- I thought that drives AFTER a certain date were OK, so I wouldn't need wdidle, now I see that all new drives need it.

    No big deal, I didn't even have to take the drive out of the Tivo, I was able to connect up the drive to another box while it was still in the Tivo case (with the cover off obviously).

    One small non-tivo concern tho, the box I connected the Tivo to already had a WD drive in it and wdidle ran on both drives. Does anyone know the default wdidle setting, so I can set it back? I don't think this is going to be a big deal as that computer doesn't get turned off (it's my Blackberry Server), but there is probably a reason that WD set the default in the first place.
     

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