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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    I got fooled by that at first as well. Then I looked at how big the partitions in the second list are.

    Apparently he's trying to go from a 1TB drive to a 2TB drive.

    That Apple Free "partition" really should have been bumped to the end of the drive, or just plain obliterated, don't know why it wasn't.
     
  2. Philtho

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    I have a Tivo HD and I've just ordered a WD20EARS. My Tivo has a stock 160GB + MyDVR expander and it's been partial recording and skipping during recordings. So just to make sure:

    1. Remove MyDVR from within Tivo settings.
    2. Take 160GB from Tivo, plug both 160GB and 2T into my PC.
    3. Use JMFS to do the required steps to copy.
    4. Boot in Vista64 and use WinMFS on WD20EARS.
    5. ?? Use wdidle3 on new drive ?? (This isnt mentioned anywhere in OP)
    6. Put new drive in TivoHD
    7. Done?!
     
  3. richsadams

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    That's more or less it...but don't modify or skip ANY of the steps in the instructions on the first post of this thread. Also when you perform the Supersize function do not use Windows drive management to get your computer to recognize your TiVo drive (it will wipe the boot sector)...Windows won't recognize your TiVo drive but the winMFS program will.

    Section IV, #29 of the original upgrade FAQ outlines using wdidle3.exe to adjust the Intellipark setting:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160

    Agreed, it would be nice if the OP would add those instructions to the FAQ.

    Hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  4. Philtho

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    Brilliant. Thanks!

    Now to wait for the drive to arrive. It's a no brainer at $75 from Amazon.
     
  5. unitron

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    When you get the "EARS" run the WD diagnostic software (long test) on it to make sure that it's okay, then run wdidle3, then go through the actual TiVo upgrade.
     
  6. Stuxnet

    Stuxnet Alien Infidel

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    AND... reset AAM > 128 w/HDDScan or equivalent
     
  7. teiland

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    I think, when expanding from stock to 1TB using WinMFS some drives end up with this little apple_free space. I believe these are the drives that cannot be expanded any further with WinMFS or JMFS. WinMFS cannot add the required 2 partitions and apparently JMFS thinks apple_free is a real partition and leaves it as partiton 16 on the expanded drive which results in 17 partitions like this:

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 1@309550766 ( 512.0 )
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309550767 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309558959 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 1@310083247 ( 512.0 )
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310083248 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310091440 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 262144@310615728 ( 128.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@310877872 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311402160 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 137630712@171920054 ( 65.6G)
    12 MFS MFS application region 2 589824@311991984 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS MFS media region 2 171919990@64 ( 82.0G)
    14 MFS MFS App by Winmfs 2048@312581808 ( 1.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Media by Winmfs 1640939520@312583856 ( 782.5G)
    16 Apple_Free Extra 1791@1953523376( 895.5K)
    17 MFS MFS media region 3 1953504001@1953525167( 931.5G)

    However, I finally did get my drive to expand with JMFS but I'm not sure how long it will work because I manually enlarged partition 15. Here is what I did:
    - Copy 1TB drive to 2TB with JMFS copy, do not expand
    - Delete partition 15 "MFS Media by Winmfs"
    - Recreate partition 15 "MFS Media by Winmfs" but include the apple_free space (no more apple_free partition 16)
    - Put 2TB drive in THD, it thinks the external drive is missing, let it repair the problem
    - Expand 2TB drive with JMFS, no errors
    - Put 2TB drive in TIVO, boots with no issues, 318hrs

    I tried to put partition 15 back to the original size and make apple_free be partition 17 but the TIVO was caught in the endless reboot loop. I can post partition maps for each step if anyone is interested. I'm currently trying to duplicate the process on a second 2TB drive with a 1GB swap space. It'll be a while before I can get the maps.
     
  8. unitron

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    How did you manually re-create p15?
     
  9. teiland

    teiland Troy

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    I used pdisk on the MFS Live 1.4 boot CD. After deleting p15, I used the begin and length of the new apple_free p15 which was the deleted Media by Winffs + the old apple_free.
     
  10. Tivoitis

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    Now added!

    JMFS includes hdparm which will let you set your AAM value. I have mine set to 128 (the "most-quiet" setting) as opposed to anything else (254 being "max-performance" and 0 being "disabled"). What other values are people using?
     
  11. Tivoitis

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    Let us know how it goes after you fill up your drive. When I first did my expansions, I recorded on both channels during the day just to fill up my drive faster, so that I could confirm the expansion really worked and to figure out exactly how much recording space I really had. Starting from scratch, it still took more than a week to fill it all up!
     
  12. richsadams

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    Sweet! Much appreciated! :up:

    Question, do you know if hdparm will adjust the AAM on recent WD20EARS drives? Apparently HDDScan no longer works on those drives. TIA!
     
  13. Tivoitis

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    According to my notes, the drives that I had used were already at 128, so I never tried changing them.
     
  14. richsadams

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    Got it. Hopefully someone else will give it a try. HDDScan worked on my WD20EARS, but that was a while back so WD may have (yet again) changed something. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Philtho

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    Upgrade successful! Didn't run into any snags. WD20EARS is now in my Tivo HD.

    The WD20EARS drive was dated 12/2010.

    I booted the JMFS DVD and did the copy fine. Then expanded fine.
    Within JMFS I did "hdparm -M /dev/sdb" and it showed 256 as the setting.
    I did "hdparm -M 128 /dev/sdb" and it set it to 128.

    I booted into Vista64 and ran WinMFS and turned on Supersize. No issue there.

    I booted the WDIDLE3 dvd, and ran "wdidle3 /S300" and it set it fine.

    I put the drive back into the Tivo, it booted up fine. My hours are at 300something ridiculous. I did a soft reboot and it came right back up again. I can't hear the new drive. Nice and quiet. Boxed up and labeled the original Tivo 160GB drive for any future catastrophes.

    Thanks to everyone who put this entire process together!

    /happydance
     
  16. richsadams

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    Sah-weet! :up: Thanks for confirming that you were able to adjust the AAM on your WD20EARS using hdparm. I'd still like some feedback to find out if it works on more recently manufactured drives, but it's still good news.

    Congratulations and enjoy!
     
  17. tiassa

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    I'm about to stat on this journey (my THD+500gig MyDVR Expander is beginning to show very early signs of going south and I might as well go from 660MB to 2TB), and I noticed that my local computer store (Micro Center) doesn't have the WD20EARS in stock. Amazon does, but I when you go to the Amazon page they say "There is an upgraded version of this drive available" and point you to the WD20EARX http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Intellipower-Desktop/dp/B004VFJ9MK/ref=dp_ob_title_ce any info on this drive? I don't feel like being the pioneer on this one, so I may have to move the upgrade schedule in case WD is discontinuing the WD20EARS.
     
  18. richsadams

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    It looks like the EARX series will eventually replace the EARS drives. The only spec difference I can find is the transfer rate. The EARX has the latest SATA 6Gb/s interface as opposed to the EARS' SATA 3Gb/s (which was the standard until just recently). TiVo doesn't get anywhere near saturating the current SATA3 spec so there should be no effect on how the EARX works in a TiVo, but AFAIK no one has tried it.

    You could go ahead and buy the EARS and know that you'll be fine...or you could become a "TiVo Pioneer" (the T-shirts are very cool ;) )and go for the EARX!

    You could also use a WD20EURS of course (saves having to adjust the AAM) but the cost is a bit higher.

    Let us know what you decide to do and happy upgrading!

    BTW, if anyone goes with a EARX drive, it would be very interesting to know if the Intellipark setting still needs adjusting to avoid the boot/restart issue. TIA!
     
  19. lpwcomp

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    John's...
    In addition to being a pioneer, he also has to be willing to pay 25% more for a feature that does him no good in a TiVo.
     
  20. unitron

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    I'm pretty sure the retail box Caviar Green 2TB is going to be the WD20EACS, which is the 16MB cache "advanced format" 3 per second version, so the EARS is only going to be available as a bare drive. You should be able to get one from NewEgg or CompUSA.

    I managed to grab a EADS (non-advanced format) before CompUSA ran out, and wasn't too impressed with the shipping packaging.

    I don't know how well the Egg packs WD drives, but a pair of Samsungs I just got were very well done.
     

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