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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure why the original drive must be reinstalled in the TiVo so its software is updated. Can't you just update the new drive once it is installed?
     
  2. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    If you mean something like a 2TB drive, I think the earlier versions of the software don't support anything that large, so your new huge TiVo might not be able to boot. Besides, why not have an updated 320GB drive on the shelf as a backup? And if you have a cable card, everybody says to get it paired while you're still using the original drive so the pairing will be backed up, too. (I'm OTA only, so I don't know cable cards.)
     
  3. ThreeSoFar

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    Tivo firmware (software available built-in to the TiVo box but no on the hard drive) has no capability. Period. It cannot do anything on its own. So when you put in a blank drive, the TiVo does nothing. At all.
     
  4. richsadams

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    I think the OP meant why does he have to first update his original TiVo drive prior to upgrading to a larger drive (assuming he's using the original TiVo drive to image the new one).

    IIRC (as David mentions) there's something about the older TiVo software that prevents jmfs from doing its magic. Hence updating the original hard drive first is a necessity.
     
  5. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    Per my note above, it's not an option unless you have updated your original hard drive fairly recently.

    Updating the original drive shouldn't take very long at all. Simply install the original hard drive and force a connection to TiVo until it downloads. (It may take several connections before the update will appear.)

    1. TiVo Central
    2. Messages and settings
    3. Settings
    4. Phone and network
    5. Connect to the TiVo service now

    Once the download has finished and loaded look at the "Last Status" line on that screen or in System Information and if it says "Pending restart". Then reboot TiVo via the menu screens:

    1. TiVo Central
    2. Messages & Setup
    3. Restart or reset system
    4. Restart the TiVo DVR

    Or you can simply unplug it, wait about 10 seconds for the hard drive to spin down and plug it back in. Once it's rebooted and it's up and running with the latest software you can then power TiVo down, pull the original drive and use it to image your new one.

    Whatever you do, don't cut corners. The jmfs program is dead simple...just follow all of the steps and you'll be good to go.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  6. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    This was more for the future. My original hard drive is still installed but is showing signs of imminent failure - it got wonky while watching a previously recorded program and then rebooted. It also got "Fail 7" in all three parts of the kickstart 54 initial test. I have ordered a new drive with the hope that I will still be able to image a new drive from the old one and then will store the old drive away. If at some point the new drive dies catastrophically, I wouldn't want to stress the old drive any more than absolutely necessary.

    This is on the HD. The new drive is only 1TB, which was about all I could afford. Couldn't really afford even that right now but I am trying to avoid the cost of instantcake.
     
  7. richsadams

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    Try to keep the current drive's "stress level" to a minimum and you s/b fine.

    Best of luck and let us know how the upgrade goes!
     
  8. Flyinace2000

    Flyinace2000 New Member

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    I am thinking of ugrading this summer while not much is on so i don't have to worry about transfering 2 questions.

    Can I do this on a Mac or should i use my work PC laptop?

    Second would either of these drives work well?

    SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 HD204UI 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Cache: 32MB
    Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
    Average Latency: 5.52ms
    Features: 667GB Formatted Capacity Per Disk Environment friendly product with RoHS compliance Improved performance with dual-ARM based firmware Improved recording stability over temperature with PMR ATA S.M.A.R.T. Compliant Advanced dynamic FOD control for best data integrity ATA Automatic Acoustic Management Feature Intelligent compensation of external disturbance ATA 48-bit Address Feature SATA Native Command Queuing Feature ATA Device Configuration Overlay Feature Device Initiated
    Model #: HD204UI

    Western Digital AV-GP WD20EURS 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
    Cache: 64MB
    Features: Long-term Reliability - These drives are designed to last in high temperature always-on streaming digital audio/video environments such as PVR/DVR, DVR recorders and surveillance video recorders. Reduced Power Consumption - WD has reduced power consumption by up to 40 percent compared to competitors' drives with the combination of WD's IntelliSeek, IntelliPark,
    Parts: 3 years limited
    Labor: 3 years limited
    Model #: WD20EURS
    Item #: N82E16822136783

    Both are about $100 on newegg
     
  9. richsadams

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    It depends on the Mac. jmfs requires both the existing and upgrade drive to be connected to the computer at the same time for the image transfer. The best/fastest way is via direct SATA connections to the motherboard. If you have a Mac Pro that should be easy enough. Otherwise if you have an iMac or Mac Mini you'd need two SATA/USB adapters or two SATA/USB docks or a combination of the two. (Note that a dual SATA/USB dock will not work...each drive has to have it's own connection.) Laptops have always been a challenge as they have to use the adapters or docks and some have had issues with the BIOS settings, but some have successfully upgraded using them (Mac and PC).

    AFAIK the Sammy is an unknown here. The WD20EURS has been used to successfully upgrade TiVo's by a number of TCF members and would be a good choice.

    Another option is the WD20EARS. For all intents and purposes it will do the same job as the EURS. The only difference (again, with respect to TiVo) is that the AAM default is 254 as opposed to the EARS' 128. The EARS is very quiet out of the box, but if you wanted to match the AAM of the EURS you can use HDDscan to adjust it to make it quieter.

    Note that either Western Digital drive may need the Intellipark setting adjusted per Section IV, #29 of the original Drive Upgrade FAQ:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160

    Hope that helps and happy upgrading!
     
  10. lessd

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    The newer WD EARS will not let you adj the AAM using any program, this has been my experience for the last few months, WD could change that again I guess but you would not know until you tried. I did find the drive very quiet out of the box so it was not any problem. I did run WDIDLE3 /d as a precaution.
     
  11. lpwcomp

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    I installed a WD10EARS in my HD early Sunday morning. I used WinMFS for the imaging. I had no recordings to save so I used a friends laptop and a USB SATA drive bay. Ran WinMFS to create a truncated backup from the original drive, restored it to the new drive, expanded and Supersized it. Very easy. Used my desktop computer to do wdidle. I couldn't use the desktop to do the imaging as I am still running Win2k. Actually, I was hoping to get away w/o running wdidle but either the TiVo softboot hung or I got impatient.

    To Flyinace2000: If this is a TiVo HD you will have to use the laptop and WinMFS to Supersize it. Of course, that assumes that the laptop isn't running Win2k or XP.
     
  12. richsadams

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    Hi Les...I may be mistaken, but I'm almost certain a TCF member used HDDscan to adjust the AAM on an EARS fairly recently. Not enough time to scroll back (or it may be on another thread). In any case, that's a possibility, but based on the one we have, they are as quiet as the OEM TiVo drive w/o any adjustments so still probably a good option. If it were being used in a bedroom or somewhere where silence is golden, then I'd go with the EURS.
     
  13. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

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    In the last three months I have upgraded 3 TPs with the WD EARS and using HDDscan or the Hitachi diag boot CD I could not change the AAM, In 2010 I had no problem with the WD EARS and changing the AAM. If I purchased a WD EARS today I may not have the problem, I just don't know. The WD EARS are quiet anyways and have been no problem for the friends I have upgraded.
    Any new information from anybody with a recent WD EARS purchase would be appreciated.
     
  14. richsadams

    richsadams Active Member

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    +1 :up:
     
  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Based on what I had read around here, I didn't even try to adjust AAM on my WD10EARS last weekend.
     
  16. richsadams

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    They are pretty darned quiet out of the box for sure.
     
  17. Flyinace2000

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    Yeah the laptop runs Win7. I have a USB-SATA adapter and i ordered a USB/SATA Dock along with the EARS driver. Just burned the live CDs. Soon as UPS gets here i can get started. Is the wdidle step still needed and if so can i do it via USB?

    Also, since i am doing this all via USB can i just do it in VMWare?
     
  18. richsadams

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    If you need to adjust the Intellipark setting with wdidle3.exe it has to be connected directly to a SATA port, USB won't work. It's possible that you won't need to adjust it though. The only way to find out would be to perform the upgrade and install it, see if it boots up (might take two or three attempts) and if it does try a menu restart. If both go well, you're golden. If either fail you'll need to adjust it per the instructions:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160 (Section IV, #29)

    Some folks just make the adjustment so they don't have to pull the drive a second time...your call of course.

    Happy upgrading!
     
  19. Flyinace2000

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    I don't have a computer with available SATA ports (laptop/iMac/PowerMacG5). The PowerMacG5 has the ports...but you know PPC...so that won't work.
     
  20. mattack

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    I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with running on a Mac, but I'll just mention I'm on a Mac, running the latest jmfs (104).

    It says "Press Ctrl-C to interrupt", while it's doing the copying.. But I wasn't able to actually get it to stop.. it would just overwrite the ^Cs on the screen and keep going. I even held down ^C.

    I was originally expanding to an external USB<>SATA dock, but that's pretty slow, so I wanted to stop it and put the drive inside.. had to power down the machine.

    No big deal, just wanted to report it.
     

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