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Tivo HD Upgrade Instructions - using JMFS

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by Tivoitis, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Jan 4, 2011 #1 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    I thought it might be helpful to separate out the users that are trying to upgrade a Tivo HD using comer's JMFS tools. The original thread is here and the tools were designed for the Premiere, but based upon the experience of several members (including myself), it appears to work fine for Tivo HD's as well. If you intend to expand only to a maximum of 1.26TB, then you're probably better off sticking with WinMFS and the instructions in this thread.
    If you're a little adventurous and you want to expand and fully utilize a 1.5TB/2.0TB drive, then you can try out this recipe:
    1. Use an original 160GB Tivo HD Drive - if it doesn't have the latest software, install it back into your Tivo HD and force it to upgrade to the latest version (11.0j currently).
    2. Burn a copy of JMFS Live onto a CD (or run it from a USB drive) from the Premiere Drive Upgrade thread. Follow those directions to connect and boot up with (1) the original 160GB Tivo HD drive and (2) the new 1.5TB/2.0TB drive.
    3. Run the menu item to do the disk copy from your original drive to your new drive.
    4. Run the menu item to do the expansion of your new drive.
    5. If you want to verify the AAM setting, you can go to the command line in JMFS and use "hdparm -M <device>". A value of 128 indicates that the drive is set for the quietest mode.
    6. Depending upon the drive you're using, you may also want to use "wdidle3.exe" to check and if necessary, disable the idle timeout for your drive to prevent a "soft reboot" issue. Please refer to Section IV, #29 of the original upgrade FAQ for the full details.
    7. If you want to supersize the drive for the Tivo HD, then DO NOT USE the JMFS menu option to Supersize!!! This option will only work with Premiere drives. Instead, shutdown and then connect the new drive to a computer with WinMFS and use WinMFS to "turn on supersize". On a 2TB drive, the WinMFS supersize will increase your recording time from 288 hrs to 318 hrs.
    8. Install the new drive back into your Tivo HD and enjoy!

    Updated 2/11/2011 (and caveat added 8/14/2011):
    Thanks to some pioneering work by KenVa, if you wish to keep all of the shows on your current THD, you can possibly use a WinMFS expanded drive as a source (see teiland's posts starting here to confirm the state of your WinMFS source drive for some possible issues):
    1. Burn a copy of JMFS Live (at least v1.04) onto a CD (or run it from a USB drive) from the Premiere Drive Upgrade thread. Follow those directions to connect and boot up with (1) a WinMFS expanded, Tivo HD drive and (2) the new 1.5TB/2.0TB drive.
    2. Run the menu item to do the disk copy from your source drive to your new drive.
    3. Run the menu item to do the expansion of your new drive.
    4. If you want to verify the AAM setting, you can go to the command line in JMFS and use "hdparm -M <device>". A value of 128 indicates that the drive is set for the quietest mode.
    5. Depending upon the drive you're using, you may also want to use "wdidle3.exe" to check and if necessary, disable the idle timeout for your drive to prevent a "soft reboot" issue. Please refer to Section IV, #29 of the original upgrade FAQ for the full details.
    6. If you want to supersize the drive for the Tivo HD, then DO NOT USE the JMFS menu option to Supersize!!! This option will only work with Premiere drives. Instead, shutdown and then connect the new drive to a computer with WinMFS and use WinMFS to "turn on supersize". On a 2TB drive, the WinMFS supersize will increase your recording time from 288 hrs to 318 hrs. If you already did the "turn on supersize" step with your source drive, you do not need to do it with the new drive as well - that setting will have been copied over already.
    7. Install the new drive back into your Tivo HD and enjoy!

    Notes:

    Thanks:
    • Props to comer for building the JMFS tools and also to retiredqwest for being the pioneering, first brave soul to try out and document success with the Tivo HD (and particularly for using WinMFS to do the supersize)!
    • Thanks also to KenVa for showing us how to use an already expanded drive as a source for those that want to carry over their current recordings.
    • Thanks to teiland for identifying some additional issues with WinMFS source drives.
     
  2. Jan 21, 2011 #2 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    Yes, you pretty much have the methodology on expanding the THD.


    2 things bear mentioning...

    1. Dual docking stations are not recognized by the underlying linux OS on the JMFS CD.


    And lastly... no it will not read a S3 drive.....
     
  3. Jan 22, 2011 #3 of 657
    ThreeSoFar

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    Is this what you mean by a dual docking station? *sigh* That's annoying. I bought one thinking it would work, it just hasn't arrived yet.

    Yup, I can (re)confirm that. I'll expand on it a bit, in fact, though perhaps this is in the other thread. The JMFS software reports success and 287 hours on expanding. But the THD on boot comes up to a "no external storage device found" page. If you :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:ENTER to confirm, you're allowed to divorce the external storage (which is really some odd side effect of trying JMFS to expand the previously upgraded drive which never did have an external drive).
     
  4. Jan 22, 2011 #4 of 657
    mattack

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    OK, this is an appropriate thread because I just today tried upgrading a TivoHD drive to 1 TB drive.

    I *did* start with the orig 160 GB Tivo HD drive. But I *DID* use the JMFS supersize menu option.

    The drive is currently working in my TivoHD.. but still has the same size (21 HD hours, 184 SD hours).

    Is the fact that I used supersize the reason it didn't work? That's what I don't quite understand... I would kind of understand if it wasn't working at all.

    I used supersize since it said it would use less advertizing space so I thought I'd get extra space even on just a 1 TB drive.
     
  5. Jan 22, 2011 #5 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    That is the one I have. It has something to do with port replicating using one USB cable. The Duet does work with Windows... FWIW

    When I copied the THD drive I used a spare computer and connected the drives to the motherboard sata ports.
     
  6. Jan 22, 2011 #6 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    In step 6

    Remember, JMFS was written for the TP..... Comer does not even have a THD.
     
  7. Jan 22, 2011 #7 of 657
    mattack

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    But you didn't answer my question. What happens if you DO use supersize?

    Do I have to start over and recopy everything?
     
  8. Jan 22, 2011 #8 of 657
    retiredqwest

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    The short answer is I don't know.

    You could try WINMFS and see if it turns on supersize. And pop it back into the THD and see what you get.
     
  9. Jan 22, 2011 #9 of 657
    mattack

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    I have no Windows machine. I'm doing this on a Mac (booting into the Linux-based jmfs in this case). I might try running the other tools compiled on a Mac, since I have a S3 to upgrade anyway. I might just try redoing the tivohd with jmfs though.
     
  10. Jan 23, 2011 #10 of 657
    sa_smcvic

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    Thanks TIVOITIS for posting this procedure. It worked great!!!
    Also, thanks to all that contributed to the hours coming up with the upgrades and procedures. I'll be donating soon!!!!

    I tried just using jmfs exclusively and kept getting the the 21 HD hours on my 2TB drive. So with your procedure of combining the two methods, it worked for me. I now have 318 HD hours on my TIVO HD.

    :D
     
  11. Jan 23, 2011 #11 of 657
    mattack

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    I should have posted again last night. Redoing everything the same except NOT supersizing, my 1 tb drive now shows up expanded on my tivohd.

    Now I'll have to do the old method to expand my s3 drive since jmfs doesn't work with s3.

    So I'll eventually post in the main jmfs thread that it should disallow supersize for tivohd drives.

    This thread should maybe become a sticky.
     
  12. Jan 24, 2011 #12 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    Sorry, I haven't been on the site in a little while, but yes, the JMFS Supersize causes problems with THD's. I think you have to drop to the command line to try repairing it, but I'm not even sure if I ever got that to work - I think I pretty much always had to start from scratch if I did the JMFS Supersize instead of using the WinMFS Supersize.
     
  13. Jan 26, 2011 #13 of 657
    mattack

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    Can you make it so that it recognizes a TivoHD and *won't* allow you to supersize? That's the best option for now..
     
  14. Jan 27, 2011 #14 of 657
    Tivoitis

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    That would be a question for comer ... I'm not sure if JMFS has code that would allow it to detect the difference between a Premiere drive and a THD drive.
     
  15. Jan 31, 2011 #15 of 657
    lynnalexandra

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    SA-SMCvic: Are you saying that you have a single upgraded 2TB internal drive in your Tivo HD? I'd love to hear that that is possible since I just experienced my external hard drive failing. previously I had upgraded my Tivo HD to 1TB internal hd and 1TB external hard drive. Now the external drive failed (which I see is a weak point in this upgraded scenario). Once I figure out if I can save my data in any fashion, I'd prefer a single 2TB internal hard drive.

    Since the 2 drives are married, I don't know how I can try to recover data from a failing drive when it must stay married to another drive.

    Thanks.
    Lynn.
     
  16. Jan 31, 2011 #16 of 657
    richsadams

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    TiVo HD/HDXL 2TB Upgrade instructions: http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=462179 (or you could scroll up to the first post of this thread ;))

    You'll need to use your original hard drive for the 2TB upgrade. If you want to save your existing recordings you'll need to transfer any (that aren't protected) to another TiVo or to your computer using TiVo Desktop or KMTTG or a similar program and then transfer them back when you're done.
     
  17. Jan 31, 2011 #17 of 657
    richsadams

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    Now that I look at the first post on this thread, I note that it's for a basic TiVo HD (160GB HDD). I can't recall...has someone with a TiVo HDXL (1TB HDD) used jmfs to upgrade to a 2TB drive? I can't see any reason it wouldn't work, but it would be good to have confirmation. TIA
     
  18. Jan 31, 2011 #18 of 657
    lynnalexandra

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    Rich - I have a basic Tivo HD. I upgraded with your wonderful guidance 1 1/2 years ago. I do have the original drive - is the upgrade to 2TB any harder than the upgrade I did using Winmfs?

    Now the big problem is that I can't get the external hard drive to work - Tivo keeps saying the external hard drive is missing. I was hoping it would work at least once so I could transfer my recordings. (I did post about this on a separate thread - but haven't gotten responses:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8351241#post8351241

    Thanks.
    Lynn.
     
  19. Jan 31, 2011 #19 of 657
    L David Matheny

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    I upgraded a TiVo HD to 1TB and more recently a Premiere to 2TB. It is my understanding that the 2TB upgrade also works to expand an original TiVo HD drive, but you then have to use a different method to "Supersize" it (to recover those last few hours of recording space).

    If your external drive is readable, you might be able to clone it to an identical drive using Acronis or something similar, but if you try that then use the bootable CD version. You need something that can copy raw data from one drive to another. The consensus seems to be that you should not connect a TiVo drive to a computer running Windows. (I've cloned drives with Acronis, but not TiVo drives.)
     
  20. Jan 31, 2011 #20 of 657
    richsadams

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    See my answer there:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8354416#post8354416

    Best of luck!
     

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