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Tivo HD Finally Upgraded

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by spike2k5, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    I had two of those from NEwEgg crap out on me. I just received the replacement for one of them today from newegg. Hopefully I'll get the second replacement by next week.
     
  2. joneSi

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    Could have been bad production. I have this exact drive in my TiVo HD right now, and happily recording.

    May I ask how long it took to crap out?

    joneSi
     
  3. jlib

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    The new WD Caviar GP drive has some intriguing specs. From what I can make out, when idle (not just standby) the heads unload and the RPM drops to 5400. I'm not sure that is a win for the TiVo since it will never be idle. That notwithstanding, it should still be quieter and cooler than the same sized Hitachi DeskStar (and most likely the Seagate DB35, too). I am most interested in seeing what the new density champion, the upcoming 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F1 (3 platters instead of 5), is like. What an abundance of riches for hard drive enthusiasts!
     
  4. c3

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    The low seek noise is what I'm interested in:

    WD GP (1TB): 25 dBA
    WD SE16 (750GB): 29 dBA
    Seagate DB35 (750GB): 30 dBA
    Hitachi CinemaStar (1TB): 30 dBA
     
  5. aaronwt

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    The first one was bad from the start. It wouldn't always spin up. The second one worked fine for a week or two before it started to have problems.
     
  6. aaronwt

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    If that is the loudness of the Hitachi then the WD GP should be nearly silent. I can't hear the Hitachi with AM set at 192 unless I'm within a couple feet of it and then it is still extremely quiet.
     
  7. jlib

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    It is odd that the silent seek acoustic rating is the same as the idle rating on the WD Caviar GP. They are basically saying that the seeks are not discernible at all above the ambient sound of the drive spinning. It would be good if there was an industry standard method of measuring sound level. I don't think specs can be directly compared except within a manufacuturer's own line. I guess we'll have to wait for the first independent reviews but the WD Caviar GP looks to be the new silence champ.
     
  8. TXTivoUser

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    So I had a question about HD's this seems like a place to stick it since I'm looking to upgrade my THD.

    Do the AM settings work on all HD's? I found a Maxtor something or other 500g for 105 at Frys, whereas I can find the Segate DB35 500g for somewhere around 150 online.

    Is one going to be significantly (read: ~50 dollars) better than the other?

    I'm looking to spend between 100 and 150 on this, and it appears that could be the difference between a 500g and a 750 depending on the brand.

    I'm also looking for reliability and heat (or lack of) as well as drive acoustics.

    Should I give up on the pipe dream of just using an off the shelf HD and pony up for the really good HD's mentioned here or is there *THAT* much of a difference?

    Just want to get this upgraded and ready to go for the upcoming fall season.
     
  9. c3

    c3 TiVoholic

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    No, not Seagates and Maxtor-labeled Seagates.
     
  10. raiden256

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    What's the waaranty on that guy?
     
  11. aaronwt

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    I registered my replacement with WD yesterday. It shows the warranty expires in September 2010. So I guess it's a 3 year warranty.
    The RE2 drives have a 5 year warranty. I don't think the 750GB RE2 drives are out yet.
     
  12. normychas

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    Hello all,
    I had a quick question
    I purchased a Seagate Internal 3.5-inch HD,SATA NCQ,750GB (st3750640as-rk) thinking along with a nice external hard drive casing intending very much to use it with a series 3 but than later decided to get a tivo hd. I have read enough of the forums to know that it would be a very unwise idea to put this drive into my tivo hd as they are built for performance and not for heat. I dont care about noise too much but i do care about risking drive failure. My question is if I am correct in assuming it would be stupid to put this drive into my tivo hd is there a good place to sell my hard drive so i can get some cash back for a seagate db35 or a western digital. I would do craigslist but was wondering if there was a decent place to try and trade hard drives with say somebody who was looking to upgrade their series 3. Thanks for the help i am new to these forums and really appreciate all the info from them.
     
  13. jlib

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    If you don't care about seek noise then it will be a fine upgrade drive. That is really its only shortcoming. There is not much of a market for used hard drives since they are such a relatively cheap commodity now and that particular model is not regularly used for TiVo upgrades. Best bet if you can afford it is to use it as a backup for any PCs you have. By using it you will also be able to tell if the noise level is acceptable to you or not and maybe you could use it in the TiVo after all.
     
  14. normychas

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    is there not a higher risk of drive failure? I dont want a 200 dollar brick sitting him tivo hd. I also am worried about heat since my tv setup is somewhat enclosed though this could be remedied. I would be delighted if this were the only risk though i dont want my tivo to sound extremely loud but my bigger concern is simply that it not fail. Thanks for the quick response though. Has anybody heard about sweeping issues with the hard drives failing otherwise the upgrade goes on as scheduled tonight woot
     
  15. jlib

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    I don't have a TiVo HD so I am not familiar with the fan used on it. There would be no problem on the S3 with that drive from the heat perspective.
     
  16. c3

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    It's out, but at around $300, that's way too much.
     
  17. b3ar

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    The specs are nice, but I'd prefer actual field measurements. Unfortunately, StorageReview only measures idle, not seek, noise. If you compare that and power consumption during seeks versus the top competitors, the 750GB drive is really pretty well-suited for use in DVRs:

    http://www.storagereview.com/WD7500AAKS.sr?page=0,5

    For those wondering why I point out the seek power consumption, it is because, as has been noted previously, these things don't sit idle for very long. The more power (amps) a drive consumes, the more heat it will need to dissipate. Have a 3 - 5W advantage over the competition means that the drive should last longer and put less of a load on the Tivo's fan.

    That being said, I'm also curious about the upcoming GP and the Samsung F1. However, both of those are set to launch at around $400 list prices, so I'll wait a bit before upgrading my 750GB drive.

    Bill
     
  18. aaronwt

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    Ouch. That's more than I paid for the Hitachi terabyte drive.
     
  19. Sep 2, 2007 #179 of 298
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    I finally upgraded my HD . . . to a 750GB DB35. Like others, I speant way too much time thinking about this, when it turned out to be a very easy project.

    The increase speed of the menus was a pleasant suprise. Will they slow down when I fill the drive?
     
  20. Sep 2, 2007 #180 of 298
    joneSi

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    <Scratches head> Increase in menu speed? I've replaced my drive, and although it wasn't with a DB35 drive or anything made for DVR's specifically...

    For the record, it has been my experience that with my 4 TiVo's I have normal WD drives that work just fine with heat and everything but the s2's are noisy, the TiVo HD with the 750gb WD drive is SILENT). Tivo HD tells me that my temps are 'normal'
     

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