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Tivo HD Finally Upgraded

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by spike2k5, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    If you are running Vista make sure you right click the WinMFS executable and choose "run as administrator". Even though my user account in Vista has administrator privelages when you run WinMFS it won't allow you to select a Tivo drive unless you run the executable expressly as the administrator account on the box.

    Make sure you don't mount the discs in Windows, that would be bad and would destroy the boot partition on the Tivo drive (which there is a tool to recover).

    I simply selected my Tivo drive as the "A" drive and did a direct copy to my other drive, no truncated backup. I copied all of my shows, etc, and it only took about 20 mins to complete. I also used the supersize option that Spike has created which has pushed me up to 70 hrs of HD recording on a 500GB drive. I just put the original Tivo drive in an anti-static bag and put it in my safe so I can use it again if I ever need to recover the original configuration. Takes up more physical space but I don't have to have to worry about losing the software backup.

    I believe it's been reported that USB enclosures will work, it will just take longer to run the tool.

    Definitely it's smart to get a drive like a Hitachi or WD that will allow you to turn on acoustic management. You just need to download the Hitachi Diagnostics ISO image and burn it to a disc or use the program Spike provides on the MFSLive bootable CD. I tested seek noise with acoustic management off and it was very noisy. With AM turned on to the 128 setting (maximum) you could barely tell the drive was running.

    Keep in mind that most of the drives we would consider installing run much hotter than the stock drive. I observed that the stock drive only hit about 33C on the drive exterior when it ran copying for 20 mins. The new Hitachi 500GB drive hit 44C (and probably would have gotten hotter with AM turned off). Make sure your Tivo is in a well ventilated area if you will update the drive, one user already reported that the Seagate 750GB drive he installed ran so hot it actually caused problems with the Tivo and he had to put the stock drive back in.

    Thanks again to Spike for providing such great tools!!! :) :) :)
     
  2. TracerBullet

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    How do you avoid mounting the drive? I've never wanted to not have a drive show up before. :)

    This would be XP.

    Also, thanks for mentioning specific HDDs. I was looking at a 750GB Seagate but I think I'll stay away from it now.
     
  3. jmpage2

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    Plug in the Tivo drive and your new hard drive and after booting the system do not go into disc management to "initialize" them or assign them a letter.

    XP will still see them (you can verify this in disc management just don't assign them a letter or initialize them) so that WinMFS can work with them.
     
  4. TracerBullet

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    Thanks. :)
     
  5. Zaph32

    Zaph32 New Member

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    I don't guess these tools exist for MacOSX? Or maybe linux form that could be compiled for OSX?
     
  6. jmpage2

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    There is a Linux Boot disc and a configurator at mfslive.org that tells you what commands to run depending on drive sizes, etc. It will not be a simple GUI tool like the WinMFS tool.
     
  7. TracerBullet

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    Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but since people reading it have obviously done this...

    I unscrewed three of the screws on the TiVo hard drive mounting bracket fine, but the fourth screw refuses to come out. I can't get a grip on it with any tool. I used an Allen wrench to remove all the other screws.

    At first I thought it was a different type of screw, but after examining it more closely that's not the case. So... basically, WTF?

    Edit: Okay, so I figured out it's a star screw. What size screwdriver do I need to remove it?
     
  8. jmpage2

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    You need a T-10 (at least that's the tip currently on my multi-driver that I used to do my HD).

    You can buy a full screwdriver kit with all the tips you need for these types of projects for under $20 at most computer specialty stores.
     
  9. rainwater

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    Lowes or Home Depot also carry the torx bits as well.
     
  10. TracerBullet

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    Nice, thanks to both of you.

    I'm actually surprised I've never encountered this before, although all of my previous mucking around was only with my PC.
     
  11. gespears

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    Just wanted to add another data point. I just upgraded my Tivo HD to a 500 gig WD using WinMFS. All went well. It's very easy. I did not change the parameters on the WD 500 Gig, because I wanted to see if it would help the pixelation problems and partly because I don't know how to change the parameters (until reading all of this thread ;) .) I did a backup of the original and saved it to my hard drive and then did a copy from the original drive to the new 500. I now have 70 hours of HD storage.

    It took 30 minutes to do the copy with 39 % free space on the disk. So figure about an hour if the disk is full. I couldn't figure out how to really delete the programs in the trash folder. It tells me I don't need to delete them when I try to force their deletion, so I just copied them as well.

    I also posted this on the WinMFS forum.

    Gary
     
  12. bkdtv

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    I've seen a few people asking about torx screwdrivers.

    Advance Auto Parts has the perfect torx screwdriver for the TivoHD. It has a relatively long shaft, fits the screws tightly, and has a magnetic end. It's just $4.18.

    I no longer have the packaging, but the receipt says:

    Star Driver T10 Ampro 9014713
    T3226056310
     
  13. holligl

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    Somewhat off track - but would this software back up an NTFS drive as well, or is it specifically oriented to a Linux / TiVo format. I typically buy barebones drives for computers, don't have SATA image software.
     
  14. aaronwt

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    I see you used the SuperSize option. I just tried that last night. HAs there been any problems with that?
     
  15. spike2k5

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    No WinMFS is disigned for Tivo only.
     
  16. sfhub

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    What does the supersize option actually do? Does it change the calculation of free space available for display purposes, or does it affect how data is recorded or how the filesystem is organized to result in actual increase in recording time?
     
  17. TerryTT

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    I used a 750 seagate and had nothing but issues; does anyone know which WD or Hitachi model I should buy? probably just a 500gb.
     
  18. jmpage2

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    Spike might be able to answer that question if he's monitoring this thread.
     
  19. jmpage2

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    What kind of issues? I think that Spike said that there were initially some problems with drive sizes over 500GB but I think that's been fixed.

    Were the problems immediate or happen after you got more storage on the drive?

    Certainly temperature considerations are something people need to take seriously when considering a larger drive. The Samsung Spinpoint drives are known to run much quieter and cooler than most other drives. Also drives that make use of perpendicular recording or that can have acoustic management, etc, turned on might run a little cooler.

    There is an entire thread about drives that are recommended specifically for DVRs, drives like the Hitachi Cinemastar and Seagate DB35 series drives.

    Finally if you are going to put a big hot drive in the Tivo you should consider how well ventilated the area you are going to put the unit in is.
     
  20. rainwater

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    Seagate SATA drives are usually optimized for performance. And since Seagates don't support acoustic management, you are going to have a loud drive unless you are using one of the DB35 drives. I definitely wouldn't use a Seagate unless it was a DB35 drive. Most of the newer TiVos comes with WD drives and I have found those to be quite stable but everyone's experience varies.
     

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