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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by spike2k5, Jul 30, 2007.
oh yeah, i know. Something about a Kickstart 62, right?
No, I believe he is saying eSata is not supported on the TiVo HD at this time, period. Kickstart 62 included in that statement.
I guess I didn't make myself clear enough in the last post.
1) Yes, I know the eSATA is not activated
2) Yes, I know that the Kickstart 62 doesn't work for the TivoHD
My question was it in the real of possibility if/when it does occur to have "two hard drives internal to the TivoHD, even if one of those is the connector destined for the eSATA port."
That's it, nothing more, nothing less. If anyone can shed light on that question alone, i would appreciated it.
There's a thread about routing the eSATA cable back into the S3 to create a 2 drive internal system. You can search for it if you want. Some of it is probably applicable to the THD.
Thanks sfhub. That's what I was looking for. I'll do a search.
I went and tried to search for the thread but couldn't find anything. It is possible I'm confusing the earlier attempts to route the internal SATA cable to an external RAID box. In any event, the issues to look at would be where to route the eSATA cable and whether you need to drill holes or can use existing air vents, where to mount the drive, and where to splice the power. You also want to investigate whether the internal power supply has the juice to handle 2 drives.
Well the power requirement would probably be the thing. According to this picture @ tivolovers.com <Click Here> , the external sata port is connected to what seems to be a regular sata connector inside. My apologies if direct linking is frowned upon, I just wanted to point out what i saw.
Just wondering though if there would be a power problem. There wasn't one in the Series 1/2, why would there be in the Series 3? Does SATA draw more power than IDE drives? Just curious.
It does look like you should be able to connect your internal SATA cable directly to the motherboard.
Regarding the power supply, it just depends on the ratings for the power supply they chose to use. It may have the amps to handle a second drive with no problem. Not saying it is a definite issue, just something to look at.
S1/S2 models had incarnations that had 2 internal drives. S3 / HD have always been single drive designs. It is within the realm of possibility that to cut costs, a more limited power supply would be considered if the design never intended for there to be 2 internal drives. There is nothing that says they have to do this either. Just depends on what they chose to use.
The enterprise drive (NS) only makes sense in a multi-drive server environment because you are paying for the unneeded anti rotational vibration compensation mechanism. The AS is a more appropriate drive and has a better published annualized failure rate than the NS but the default head seek acoustics are not appropriate for a DVR.
If you are interested in Seagate then the most appropriate drive as bkdtv sugessted is the DB35, which is essentially an AS with modified firmware including a detuned head seek. If you don't have purchase access to a DB35 or are not willing to pay the premium then a WD or Hitachi is a better route (because of the adjustable acoustics without needing to buy their DVR model.)
Yes, that internal SATA connector can be used, which is not available for the S3. Someone did route the S3 eSATA port back inside the S3, but that didn't look like a clean/permanent solution.
Once the second SATA port is enabled, there is no reason you couldn't mount a second drive internally. The only issue will be splitting the power connection for two drives.
I expect DVRupgrade.com and WeaKnees.com will offer brackets and kits.
WinMFS has been upgraded to Beta status Now.
Also, posted MFSLive Linux Boot CD Version 1.3-pre3.
This version has TivoHD support as well as fixes for mfstools restore -r 2 or mfsadd -r 2 for partitions greater than 274GB.
Spike- is there any change on the 1TB limit per volume?
I know there are a lot of other reasons Tivo would make changes to MFS operation, but I can always hope.
I'm not sure at this point.
I'm about to do some testing so will let folks know.
Also, as far as going above 2TiB, Mac Partition table is still limited to 2TiB so I'm not sure Tivo truely fixed that problem.
How do you enable the acoustic management?
What is the trade-off? (Does it slow the response?)
No difference in performance. Even with a 5400rpm drive you wouldn't notice a difference. Recording a few video streams doesn't come anywhere close to maximizing the bandwidth of the hard drive.
Hitachi has a program that you burn to CD. You can enable the AM on Hitachi and Western Digital drives with it. The program is the Hitachi Feature tool.
Here is the page http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm
You can download the CD image and burn to disc. Ten just boot the PC from the CD. There is also a download for the users guide.
You can use MFSLive Linux Boot CD as well.
hdparm -M 128 -K 1 /dev/sda
128 is the quietest you can set.
I'd like to do this (I'm comfortable with upgrading, etc.) but I've never done this to a TiVo before. I seem to be missing something- are you taking the information from the old TiVo HD drive and transferring it to a new drive using WinMFS?
I was going to wait for ESATA but if this really is as easy as everyone says I see no reason to wait.
I have a cablecard appointment on Friday so if I could get this done tonight or tomorrow that would be ideal.
In WinMFS, you just load the original drive into WinMFS and do a truncated backup. This will save the original drive to a file on your windows partition. Then load your new drive in WinMFS and do a restore. Since the drive is bigger it will ask you to expand the drive once it is done (say yes of course). The whole process only takes a couple of minutes. However, you should make sure you have enough SATA headers on your motherboard to hook the drives up. If you only have one extra, you can just hook one drive up at a time and do each step. You just need to make sure you are using XP SP 1 or later or the drives get auto mounted and mess up the boot page.
Great, thank you so much. Sounds very easy.
Could you use a USB enclosure as well, or will this only work through SATA?