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Tivo has crossed my line...

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by destek, May 12, 2009.

  1. May 12, 2009 #21 of 293
    Ruger

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    Wow what a great idea. If something bothers you - don't try to fix it - don't try to make matters better. Ignore it. If you close your eyes, wish hard enough, and just believe in unicorns and rainbows, it might just go away!
     
  2. May 12, 2009 #22 of 293
    mearlus

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    Yes ignoring something is the same as believing in something that doesn't exist... However, I do believe in rainbows!
     
  3. May 12, 2009 #23 of 293
    Berryman1979

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    I'll pay shipping if you want to send the box my way.
     
  4. May 12, 2009 #24 of 293
    MickeS

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    The worst part of all this advertising, including TiVo, is that we all pay for it. It's good if it's something you use, of course - if you're a football fan, it's good for you that every time I buy Campbell's Chunky soup, I pay part of a football player's salary, because it makes you have to pay less for the ticket/TV channel (incredibly enough, even though I bet it doesn't feel that way!) since Campbell's pay the NFL to advertise there.

    Ads are a way to rake in the big bucks by making a lot of people pay very little money lots of times. It's a system that I don't think is particularly good for actually selling products though, but I doubt anyone selling ads will want to change it - for them it's great. :)
     
  5. May 12, 2009 #25 of 293
    Bierboy

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    Moxi this...Moxi that....BS!! You're drinking the Kool-Aid if you think the day will never come when that box has ads, too.
     
  6. May 12, 2009 #26 of 293
    wkearney99

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    As opposed to lack of on-going revenue sinking moxi.
     
  7. May 12, 2009 #27 of 293
    MickeS

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    I'm not sure the Moxi box will be around long enough to get ads. ;)
     
  8. May 12, 2009 #28 of 293
    spocko

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    +1! "More about ..." doesn't make any sense to me on the pause screen. It is not a logical placement, and it just doesn't belong there. For that reason, I actually find it more annoying than the ad.
     
  9. May 12, 2009 #29 of 293
    gonzotek

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    Yeah, when I want to know more about a program, the first thing I'd think to do, with a tivo, is use the Info button on the remote, not the pause button.
     
  10. May 12, 2009 #30 of 293
    jrtroo

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    What are examples of other home entertainment or computing devices that have advertising as part of the user interface? I can't think of any. Not my DVD player, not my VCR, not my A/V receiver, not my speakers, not the radio in any car; not Windows, not Mac OS X, not Linux.



    Google searches
    ebay auction searches
    lots of business plans were launched to get a free internet device out there with ads
    every piece of software that tries to gain control of default programs and self-update or adds a useless shortcut/system tray
    logos as default screen savers
    email campaigns after registering devices
     
  11. May 12, 2009 #31 of 293
    bschuler2007

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    Moxi being 'round long enough? Have u seen used TivoHD prices on Ebay lately? Talk about dumping products..Sheesh! I think cheap media extenders for every room and expensive head units w/o subscriptions and ads are the way to go. Sorry Tivo.. but Moxi, et al, have ya beat. The ads are just TOO INTRUSIVE!

    Overall, I think Tivo will be bought by Microsoft or Sony to add into the next gen PS3 or Xbox360. The lure of TV + pay per view/use of Movies, Games, Music, etc.. on one box is just way too high. If you offer that and still need advertising to make money.. shame on you!

    Tivo at this point is patents.. nothing more.

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  12. May 12, 2009 #32 of 293
    ZeoTiVo

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    if I want to know about that episode yes I use info button

    if I want to find out what else we saw that guest star in and can not put our finger on it - then pause more info about - takes us to that added information and more very easily. I make good use of more about.

    Now I am under no illusions it was put there as they were figuring out other ways to show us ads - but I must say it is still fairly unobtrusive to me. I have always hit clear if I pause to see the screen and actually learned that a simple FF right will do it with slightly less finger exertion.

    Will Moxi rise up base on "no ads" - I doubt it.
    Will TiVo fall based on ads - again I doubt it. Unless people start ditching subs then ads are revenue for TiVo and so far I have not seen evidence of significant subs lost to the ads in the interface.
     
  13. May 12, 2009 #33 of 293
    ZeoTiVo

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    you really think ads are the biggest component of that or do you think the 700$ a box if you go lifetime is the reason people look into cheaper things like media extenders?


    PS - xbox 360 and things like AppleTV have figured out how to sell specific episodes/movies as downloads - why on earth would they spend money on a way for people to record them without paying?
     
  14. May 12, 2009 #34 of 293
    Joe01880

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    Pop-up ads, banners on websites, junk mail, spam, adware...
     
  15. May 12, 2009 #35 of 293
    Joe01880

    Joe01880 I love my TiVo

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    If your the Moxi man no need for you to be here either, you can follow the OP outta here.
    Watch the door on your way out! :rolleyes:
     
  16. May 12, 2009 #36 of 293
    xboard07

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    Amazing how many people here get their knickers in a twist when someone mentions Moxi.
     
  17. May 12, 2009 #37 of 293
    michael new

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    agree, try cable dvr for a year and then tell me how much Tivo sucks.
     
  18. May 12, 2009 #38 of 293
    Dan203

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    But don't you think that it would be more intuitively placed as a sub menu of the info screen instead of just being some random button that pops up when you push pause?

    If it was truly meant to be a feature then the current placement of the "more info" button is really bad UI design. However we all know that it was never intended to be a real feature. It's simply a placeholder for an ad. The only reason they put the "more info" button there at all is so that it wouldn't look so jarring and out of place when there was actually an ad available. (since advertisers come and go and there isn't always an ad to put there)

    The problem with these ads is that they are a very slippery slope. I mean what's to stop them from replacing that one line ad under the "more info" button with a full screen graphic advertisement? Or putting a banner ad at the top/bottom of every screen? Just look at the history. The TiVo Central ad started as a one line ad with a simple star next to it. Now it's capable of holding a graphical banner at least twice the size of a line of text. And the "thumbs up for more..." feature, which they originally designed to make it easier to schedule new shows, has now morphed into something capable of displaying a nearly full screen graphic ad over playing video. (ala Celebrity Apprentice)

    I understand that they need to make money, but it's just getting to be a bit too much.

    Dan
     
  19. May 12, 2009 #39 of 293
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    I already agree as to why they put it there ;)

    it could be a submenu under info screen, but those submenus tend to be forgotten and not used. I actually think it is better UI design to have "more about" in a place people will see it and use it. The more about does stay even if an ad is present for the show.

    Now of course they could drop the ads on the pause and I would be just fine with that, never argued that I wanted ads on pause - just that for me they do not really get in the way.


    PS - you forgot the most important part of the ad history - way back they tried an interstitial ad that would indeed cover the full screen before you got to now playing, I think, and you had to hit a button to move on.
    The hue and cry was far greater over that and it was dropped never to be seen again. TiVo is well aware they are moving along a fine line between user apathy to do anything real about it and significant sub loss. They are more aware then we of the slippery footing they have right now.
     
  20. May 12, 2009 #40 of 293
    gonzotek

    gonzotek tivo_xml developer

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    My point was (and is) that I really don't see how Pause is an intuitive button to use to get info, especially when the remotes feature an Info button. I wasn't commenting on the advertising or on the usefulness of the "More about" feature. It is, at least occasionally, useful. And ads are ads, I can't say anything there that hasn't been repeated ad nauseum in the forums already. But neither of those facts change the lack of intuition I have for using the Pause button for the function of finding out something about a program.
     

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