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Tivo has crossed my line...

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by destek, May 12, 2009.

  1. samo

    samo New Member

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    I generally agree with your assessment of American consumer and "put up or shut up" attitude toward people proclaiming that "Tivo crossed the line". I do believe that TiVo just like any other business will not change current business plan due to the complaints and will continue on a path of giving Wall Street a reason to hope for a light at the end of the tunnel. Having said that, I can not disagree with you more on your assessment of satellite DVRs as not legitimate alternative to TiVo. I'm not sure if you have current HD DVRs from Dish or DirecTV, but I do have both. I subscribe to both because it it is a only way to get the programming I want and can afford to pay for.
    I honestly believe (based on my own experience) that Dish VIP line is better and more capable than TiVo for the absolute majority of consumers and that DirecTV HD DVRs are close second.
    Most important functions of any DVR are core functions that made DVRs a product in a leage of their own - easy timeshifting based on EPG, trick play and commercial skip. All the other bells and whistles that both TiVo and satellite DVRs have are nice and depending on a personal preference could influence individual opinion, but are not substitute for the core functions.
    Both satellite DVRs and TiVo do timeshifting and trick play well, but TiVo is the only one that is slowly turning commercial skip into commercial add.
    Your argument about the choice of DVRs with satellite is completely irrelevant. If DVRs provided by satellite companies are doing the job well at the reasonable cost, there is no reason to look for the alternative. Just like there is no reason to look for the alternative to a power meter provided by your utility company.
    As for people jumping from DirecTv DVRs to TiVo if and when it becomes available, it is a big stretch. Most resistance from TiVo users to DirecTv DVRs was different UI - not worse but different. It does take couple of weeks to get used to it if you have been using TiVo for a while. But after initial adjustment curve some things on DirecTv UI become must have. People who never had TiVo before (majority of DirecTv DVR users) will not like a switch any better when the other way around. In addition, if DirecTv allows TiVo to have extra ads, there is almost a guarantee that new DirecTivo will be a failure.
     
  2. bicker

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    Whoa... I never said it wasn't. What I said was that it was inappropriate to compare a satellite service DVR to a TiVo. Satellite service DVRs will not work with cable, and TiVos will not work with satellite service. They are not interchangeable, as a Motorola DCT-3416 from Comcast is interchangeable with a TiVo HD.

    If you go with satellite, you're making a decision between cable and satellite service, not between DVRs.

    So far. TiVo tends to be out on the forefront.

    Beyond that, remember what I've said at least once in this thread already: There may not be any viable business case for a stand-alone DVR. TiVo may be well-advised to shut down its stand-alone DVR operation and just sell DVRs or just DVR software to service providers, who can foster their revenues by increasing their monthly fees.

    Your logic is wrong, for the reasons I mentioned above. If you're choosing satellite, you're choosing it instead of cable, not instead of TiVo. :rolleyes: Unless you're taking business too personally, and translating peevishness about ads in the menus into something that basically spites yourself, by prompting you to make a poor service decision, because you are allowing something inconsequential about your DVR affect you overmuch.

    Which explains very clearly why DirecTV has agree to work with TiVo on a new offering.

    Oh wait, no it doesn't. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, samo, you're wrong about that. DirecTV recognizes the advantage that offering TiVo as a premium DVR, in addition to the basic DVR they currently offer.
     
  3. samo

    samo New Member

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    I do agree with that. Except for the small percentage ("I dropped satellite and went with cable because of TiVo" or "I will switch to satellite because of ads") people make decision on what service to use based on programming choice and cost.
    Most likely reason DirecTV signed up with TiVo is the outcome of the Dish lawsuit. Notice that they are not replacing DirecTV DVRs with TiVo, they will offer TiVo as an option. They are working on MRV and dual buffer among other things (in beta now) and slowly but surely negating any advantages that TiVo has over DirecTV line. By the time new DirecTivo becomes available, there may be nothing left so desirable that people will want to switch or pay extra for the TiVo. It is also possible that current hardware will be used and TiVo software will be an optional download like Comcast Tivo. In this case the difference will be even smaller. By playing nice with TiVo DirecTv is preventing costly lawsuit and in a same time may gain some TiVo fan base cable converts. They have nothing to lose, smart move regardless of actual number of TiVos they sell.
     
  4. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    for every "bully" there's someone posting childish comments like "people are happy to have more ads"

    goes both ways .

    grownup conversation is much preferred from BOTH sides of the discussion.
     
  5. fallingwater

    fallingwater New Member

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    Ad Free for $100 more! :up::up::up:

    (Don't like the Search Link on TiVo's pause bar but most DVR ads aren't a big peeve of mine. But Ad Free is refreshing!) :)
     
  6. Videodrome

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

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    Plus there is no subscription charge, its a deal.
     
  7. bicker

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    And it grows on trees. :rolleyes:

    Seriously, I cannot wait, though, until Moxi makes the first change that its owners don't like. They'll go on and on, afflicted by their entitlement mentality, about how they were promised certain things (they weren't) and how they were betrayed. :rolleyes:

    Kind-of like what goes on here sometimes. :)
     
  8. manu

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    You seem to have a problem with other peoples dislike of the ads.

    Does it bother you that they dont like them or that they tell others about their dislike of them?

    No offense meant but you seem soo angry about their opinions.
     
  9. bicker

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    Neither really, and no I'm not angry about any opinions. Rather, I object to the entitlement mentality that is the sole basis of many comments made, and don't see any reason to grant an unrebutted soap-box to entitlement mentality, which essentially little more than a social ill that is adversely affecting our society. Why you support such an unwarranted sense of entitlement is beyond me, but it is your right to do so.
     
  10. 98dbk3

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    That is pure and utter nonsense. I have three Tivo's one lifetime, two subbed, and I love all three dearly. As you can tell by my post count I pretty much never post, mainly because up until recently I was more than happy with my purchases. But I feel that I can not let such a comment slide.

    This is a product that people such as myself have paid good money for, and slowly but surely more and more ads have crept into more and more places. I don't know about you but I paid for a DVR not an Ad box.....I know, I know ( but cable does it to and so on and so forth ). Well excuse me but I would like to think that Tivo would strive to be a head above cable, not only in the product itself ( which it most definitely is ), but also in the way it is presented.

    I think they have indeed finally started to go over the line, and if this keeps up when my year contract on the two subbed Tivo's are up I will put my money where my mouth is and cancel them which would be a darn shame considering the fact that, as I've mentioned earlier, I love my Tivo's.

    To anyone from Tivo who may frequent this board and may be reading this I hope you think long and hard about this post because I have a feeling that there are quite a few other customers who feel the same as I do, but are two intimidated by such posts as the one quoted above to speak up.

    Take this post for what it's worth or ignore it as just another person whining..whatever, after all at the end of the day It's up to the folks at Tivo to figure out what kind of product they want to have.
     
  11. bicker

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    No, it actually isn't.

    Hey bub: I have four (the three listed below and the Humax S2 in my basement). Your money isn't any better than mine. I keep it real: I don't let my personal bias trump my rational logic.

    That's life. Where in your contract was it written that that would not happen?

    The box does exactly what it was always promised to do.

    Get back to me when you really do that.
     
  12. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

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    so you say we should not post our own speech since we can not handle your right to your free speech. You do realize there is no logic nor freedom in your comment? Right?

    I strive to post comments that are as accurate and honest as I can make them. I would not post such a ridiculous statement. I do realize you had a sarcastic bent in your example though, but just wanted to comment that the sarcasm stems from implying something I would do that is way over the top of what I would actually do.

    No one would currently hit mute before pause since the pause button currently stops the audio as well. I have no issue with an ad that shows quietly on screen when I pause but I do indeed sometimes pause in order to try and hear something else or else to speak to someone.
    Audio playing upon hitting the pause button would clearly cross my line of making me do something different in order to use my TiVo DVR from the way that I use it now. I would find such audio to be very annoying and doubt TiVo would ever think that would work well for them. It is because of the barrier of not being able to TRULY upset subscribers so they would ACTUALLY stop using TiVo that I am ok with ads being a fact of media content we do NOT directly pay the production costs of. If I want to continue to watch shows without 3 minutes of ads stopping the flow of the show every so often then I have to either pay a lot more to see that content, deal with ads in some form that pays for it or else go illegal and pirate the content. Only 2 of those ensure that good content has a chance of being made and I have little desire to go back to the first option of 3 minutes of ads playing every so often in my house. That really just leaves the option that TiVo is currently writing the infrastructure for.

    Bottom line I give my honest reply to the various ways people post about how they dislike ads. People are free to post what they will either from their own view or in reply to my post. I ask though that they keep it honest and real in their own turn.
     
  13. Langree

    Langree The Gimp

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    Do all you complaining so loudly(and repeatedly) about a line of text on your TiVo screen also complain to the networks about their screen crawls that cover up captioning and often have sound effects? Nevermind that some cover up the bottom 5th of your TV screen.
     
  14. MichaelK

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    the comparison with moxi costing 100 more is including LIFETIME service on the tivo.

    they aren't apples to apples since the hard drive sizes aren't the same. But you can buy a tivo with NO subscription charge for cheaper than a moxi. that's the bottom line.
     
  15. twhiting9275

    twhiting9275 TV Buff!

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    I love it when I see complaints like this, it just makes me laugh.


    Hey, Tivo has to make money somehow. yeah, we pay them, but are those tiny little ads REALLY enough to get your panties in a bunch over? No, they're not. Simply ignore them and move on with your life.

    You can whine and complain about every little thing, or you can get a life, and only tackle the big stuff. This is one of those little, itty bitty things that you just don't need to be anal about.
     
  16. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    No, they don't. Companies go belly up every day.
    If their business model brings in enough money they'll make it. If it doesn't they won't. Life will go on either way.
     
  17. MichaelK

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    I think the only way to get tivo to listen is for some of the people complaining to actually do something and cancel and let tivo know why.

    there's multiple threads with several hundred (possible a few thousand) posts between them. I have yet to see a single person actually stop writing tivo a check- there's lots of threats but i haven't seen anyone say "I called tivo yesterday and cancelled my sub". Surely if so many folks are so offended then one of them must be out of their committment and could make the call today.

    granted I haven't taken the effort to read all the other threads- so if there is such a post please share.
     
  18. MichaelK

    MichaelK New Member

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    i think the point was for those of us who own tivo's we would like them to remain in business and not go belly up. So for that to happen they have to make a profit- or at least break even- or at least hold out that possibility to investors and banks to keep borrowing money to continue to provide us service.
     
  19. twhiting9275

    twhiting9275 TV Buff!

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    I don't see Tivo going belly up, but you're right, that was the point. We pay very nominal fees for the huge service that Tivo provides us. Pause ads? Ads in their menu? I bet the people complaining about those are the same people that think they deserve the right to run ad blockers and actually try to get everything for "free". Uggh!

    Tivo does an outstanding job of blending their minimal ads in when they do. I have no problem with them doing that at all. Of COURSE they make money from doing so, you didn't expect your $14/month subscription to actually keep them in business did you?
     
  20. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    Holy Crap! Do you get an early airing of the Family Guy?! :p
    Your post goes perfect with (parts of) tonight's season finale.
     

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