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TiVo Exits the Hardware Business

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rainwater, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Jan 24, 2014 #81 of 122
    ort

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    To me all this says is that they aren't planning on releasing a new box anytime soon.

    And why would they? The offerings they have now should be good for at least 3-4 years.

    Why pay hardware designers for years when you don't need them? It's a tough world out there.
     
  2. Jan 24, 2014 #82 of 122
    HarperVision

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    Is there an echo in here? (And no, I'm not referring to the horrible Ceton product!) ;)
     
  3. Jan 24, 2014 #83 of 122
    shrike4242

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  4. Jan 24, 2014 #84 of 122
    b_scott

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    don't say things and purport them to be truth, without anything to back it up. This just causes mass hysteria.
     
  5. Jan 24, 2014 #85 of 122
    b_scott

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    also what's to stop them from allowing commercial skip? Then it's just a Hulu box.
     
  6. Jan 24, 2014 #86 of 122
    shrike4242

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    I'd love to see a link posted to this being the case. Tivo keeps doing SW updates well past the point of the HW no longer being sold, as my S3 was getting updates at least 1-2 years past when it stopped being sold.

    I don't expect this to be any different with the Premiere and Roamio units, as they should still be getting SW updates well into 2015 before they stop doing updates.
     
  7. Jan 24, 2014 #87 of 122
    wco81

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    I wonder if Broadcom would have a reference DVR design for their future processors.

    Of course, the standalone DVR business isn't that healthy so who knows how much money Tivos bring to Broadcom.
     
  8. Jan 26, 2014 #88 of 122
    aadam101

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    They FINALLY released a really good piece of hardware and then they do this? Crazy..
     
  9. Jan 26, 2014 #89 of 122
    rainwater

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    What did they do exactly? They laid off a few hardware designers. Did you want them to design new hardware to be released this year?
     
  10. Jan 26, 2014 #90 of 122
    aaronwt

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    I know I was hoping they would have a new TiVo Mini. One that had wireless remote capability built in. That could scale everything to 1080P60. And had WiFi built in as well.
    I would sell my current TiVos mInis to replace them if that happened.
     
  11. Jan 26, 2014 #91 of 122
    TiVoStephen

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  12. Jan 27, 2014 #92 of 122
    b_scott

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    60? you want everything to have an extra frames added soap opera effect?
     
  13. Jan 27, 2014 #93 of 122
    aaronwt

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    That has nothing to do with the soap opera effect. The Soap Opera effect is caused by TVs that create new frames in between the existing ones by interpolating the data of two frames and creating a new one in between.

    When you use 3:2 pulldown, or even 5:5 or 10:10 for 120hz and 240hz Tvs, that does not create the soap opera effect because they are just repeating the same frame multiple times. Not creating frames with new information.

    With the TiVo set for 1080P60 output, you don't get the long delay when the resolution changes. With the Roamio set to 1080P60 output, it is under a second when switching channels that have different resolutions. So it would be nice for the Mini to have the same options as the Roamio does for resolution and frame rate output.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2014 #94 of 122
    b_scott

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    hmm. I don't get a long delay, I just set everything to 1080i.
     
  15. Jan 27, 2014 #95 of 122
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    Hmmm... I don't think this is entirely true. Any video that comes in at 60FPS, if it's interpolated or actually in the source. Either way, we associate that frame rate with "soap operas."

    Like, if you went to see the Hobbit movies at 60FPS, you got that affect.

    Right?
     
  16. Jan 27, 2014 #96 of 122
    aaronwt

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    That is completely different. Each frame is different. A normal movie in the theater runs at 48FPS with every frame duplicated from the normal 24FPS. Otherwise just about every 1080P HDTv made would have the Soap Opera effect since they were 60FPS. But that is not the case. The only time I've ever seen the soap opera effect on a Tv is when that frame interpolation had been on. For instance my Parents Tv has it and my dad leaves it on. I hate watching Tv there. I've owned around a dozen HDTVs and I've never owned one that had the Soap Opera Effect. And if i ever do own one that had that interpolation feature, it will be turned off.

    EDIT: also the Hobbit was filmed in 48 FPS not 60 FPS. I personally do not like it. I saw the first Hobbit movie in 48FPS but avoided it for the second Hobbit movie.

    'The Hobbit' at 48fps: Frame Rates Explained

     
  17. Jan 27, 2014 #97 of 122
    celtic pride

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    Is funny how everybody thinks differently about things like the soap opera effect on tvs ,My wife and i love the soap opera effect! I must admit it took a little getting used too,but i always leave it on! my wife and i actually bought our samsung tv because we loved how the the soap opera effect looked while watching the batman movie on it at best buy!
     
  18. Jan 27, 2014 #98 of 122
    aaronwt

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    I think for me it's just that for over four decades I watched content in a way that became normal to me. So the Soap effect seems abnormal. If I had grown up with it I wouldn't mind it. But when you've watched thousands of movies for over 40 years and they look a certain way, to see the same movies look very different with the Soap Opera effect just doesn't look right to me.

    My Dad is near 80 and has the Soap Opera effect set on with his SONy LCD HDTv but he doesn't usually watch the HDTV. He sits at his desk and the same content is sent to an old tube TV which looks like what I'm used to seeing. And my Mom doesn't even want to watch the HD channels on the Tv preferring to watch the SD channels. So between both of them I really hate watching TV there when I visit.
     
  19. Jan 27, 2014 #99 of 122
    tarheelblue32

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    It is likely that it all boils down to what you are used to. From a technical standpoint, higher fps is "better". But personal preferences can differ. This is true not just about fps, but other aspects of video as well. For example, I have a friend that absolutely hates 16:9 aspect ratio and says she is sticking with her 4:3 CRT until it dies. And I, personally, dislike computer animation and prefer traditional hand-drawn animation. But like it or not eventually all TV's will probably be 16:9 and all animation will likely be computer generated, and all video will eventually have a higher frame rate. It's called "progress".
     
  20. JosephB

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    There is no technical standpoint on which you can say more FPS is "better". In this context it is a purely subjective standard. It's like saying "onions are technically better, but some people just don't like them"
     

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