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TiVo Exits the Hardware Business

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rainwater, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Jan 23, 2014 #61 of 122
    randian

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    They're concentrating on software. Great! So when are they going to fix longstanding bugs and UI misfeatures?
     
  2. Jan 23, 2014 #62 of 122
    shrike4242

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    If they've been doing business with Pace since 2012, it wouldn't shock me if Pace starting making the Tivo hardware, with a "Pace DVR with Tivo technolory" or some other blurb to go with it. They would also probably do the design with Tivo's input.
     
  3. Jan 23, 2014 #63 of 122
    Dan203

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    There isn't a ton more they can really do on the hardware side anyway. The Roamio is almost perfect hardware wise. 6 tuners is the max for the CableCARD spec and 3TB is plenty of space for the average joe. They have built in transcoding and enough CPU power to run their UI at a respectible speed. I'm not sure there is anywhere else to go from here. Every feature I can think of that I'd want could be accomplished via software on the Roamio.

    Although I was hoping we'd see an add-on OTA tuner for the Romaio Plus/Pro and maybe an add-on BD player, so I guess those hopes are dashed. :)
     
  4. Jan 23, 2014 #64 of 122
    gonzotek

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    I dunno. If anything, this turn of events makes it more likely, as the only TiVos that had disc playback features were all from third-parties. Probably still pretty unlikely - BluRay disc sales volume still trails DVDs and TiVos are already super-niche. A BD TiVo would be a niche within a niche.

    edit: I know you said add-on and I'm talking about a combo unit, but I think we agree the chances of either are slim :)
     
  5. Jan 23, 2014 #65 of 122
    Teeps

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    If you "LIKE YOUR PLAN", you can keep your plan....
     
  6. Jan 23, 2014 #66 of 122
    shrike4242

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    I would have to agree, since the Plus/Pro have GigE, WiFi and MoCA connectivity, so that covers all the network angles.

    3TB is 450hr of HD storage and an obscene number of SD hours of various quality levels, so that should be enough for most people.

    6 tuners should cover most people's simultaneous recording options and if you need more, get a second unit. Every other TV, hook a Mini to it. Streaming, both in and out-of-home is covered with the Plus/Pro.

    Only thing I could see going forward might be larger drives and Amazon Prime Video streaming, though they don't need new hardware to get that right, just the right Amazon app that doesn't date back to the S3 days.
     
  7. Jan 23, 2014 #67 of 122
    JosephB

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    I don't think this changes anything at all. It doesn't mean that they are going to start outsourcing the branding and design of products like they did in the DirecTiVo or Series 1/2 days. They got rid of 5 people who worked in hardware design, and they don't have any new hardware coming out for at least 2 years if not more. Doesn't mean we're instantly going to start seeing Toshiba or Pace or Sony TiVos. Just means that if and when they get ready to do something beyond Series 5, they'll have to figure something else out. They weren't likely to replace the Roamios in the next 3 years, and the next 3 years are going to be VERY consequential to the cable industry, the CableCard standard, and retail cable device landscape.
     
  8. Jan 23, 2014 #68 of 122
    vurbano

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    great now we can pay 20 dollars per box, per month to our cable companies FOREVER. for a 3BDR house plus LR thats around 4 boxes @ $80 bucks a month lets say 100 bucks after "DVR service" for a total of $1200 a year forever.
     
  9. Jan 23, 2014 #69 of 122
    randian

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    I can see networking upgrades (802.11ac), more RAM (dirt cheap), and a faster CPU (pretty much SOP for new revs of an SOC).
     
  10. Jan 23, 2014 #70 of 122
    trip1eX

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    IT means the end of days for retail Tivos. The last generation is the Roamio. That seems like a change.

    Going forward there is little to no point in trying to sell $750 boxes to consumers so they can watch video when the tech is out there to watch time shifted video on a small form factor, efficient $80 AppleTV or Roku.
     
  11. Jan 23, 2014 #71 of 122
    rainwater

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    Nope. It doesn't mean the end of retail hardware.
     
  12. Jan 23, 2014 #72 of 122
    zalusky

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    I guess I am curious about the software direction. If they are going to be more in bed with the cable companies will the software throw all the non cable company things like Netflix/...

    When you look at a Direct TV Tivo you know what I mean!
     
  13. Jan 23, 2014 #73 of 122
    Jonathan_S

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    Down the road a bit they might make it a bit snappier, partly for the apps, but that's probably a matter of dropping some future (higher performance) compatible broadcom chipset in, or adding more RAM (for the software side to use for more agressing cacheing)

    But neither of those require major hardware design chops.


    Now, I would like it if TiVo could do a really good integrated blu-ray player (along the lines of the old Toshiba TiVo/DVD). Most blu-ray remotes / players still have lousy UIs; being able to use TiVo trick-play would be a nice touch. But there's probably not enough market to justify it :(
     
  14. Jan 23, 2014 #74 of 122
    atmuscarella

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    I think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves. While I agree that the stand alone DVR market isn't likely large enough to keep TiVo around, the reality is that the Roamio line was most likely developed for cable operators and will likely be used by them for years as they tend to not like changing equipment (which is also likely why the Premiere is receiving as much attention as it is from TiVo).

    The reality is there is no reason for TiVo to need any new hardware for several (maybe even 3-4) years and at that time TiVo will go with the market, not lead it. If cable companies still want DVRs TiVo will update their hard ware and continue to provide whole home DVR system (along with new Stand alone versions). If the market does change and IP on demand/cloud storage becomes the norm then their will be little need for an updated "cable" DVR and TiVo will continue to sell Roamios for as long as there is a market for them.

    In any event I don't think it really matter much to us, as long as cable/OTA exists in its current format we will be able to use Roamio DVRs, most of what needs to be fixed/updated is software and TiVo is still working on that.
     
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    wco81

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    I'm skeptical about the whole NDVR business.

    Rather have control over my recordings, not have them expire for whatever reasons off my cloud locker.
     
  17. Jan 23, 2014 #77 of 122
    MHunter1

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    I consider it good news if TiVo licenses their OS to third-party manufacturers so there's more competition to provide a better product. For example, Microsoft licenses Windows to many PC brands who each compete for our business by offering unique features, services, and technical support that result in faster responses to bug fixes and feature requests. TiVo will no longer dictate prices, service, and hardware choices like Apple does.

    Imagine a Windows desktop PC that has the TiVo OS built in, similar to the Asus Duet with Windows and Android. A dedicated power supply keeps the DVR active 24/7 and you access your content through a TiVo Mini on each TV. You could have unlimited network-attached storage, Blu-Ray disc playback in the PC tray would respond to TiVo's familiar trickplay controls, and the upgradeable DVR module could be offered in an array of processor speeds, available tuners, and streaming options.
     
  18. Jan 23, 2014 #78 of 122
    JosephB

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    None of this signals any change at all to the way TiVo is doing business or will do business. The Roamios have a long life ahead of them and there's no way to know what TiVo will do for their next generation of retail DVRs, even if they hadn't laid off some number of employees that work on hardware.
     
  19. Jan 23, 2014 #79 of 122
    tvmaster2

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    when? I'd like to see a discount on Roamio's....they seem to be full price right now
     
  20. Jan 24, 2014 #80 of 122
    MHunter1

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