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TiVo Exits the Hardware Business

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rainwater, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Jan 22, 2014 #41 of 122

    lgnad Pantless Mofo

    Feb 14, 2013
    lol everybody panic!!!

    So.... Tivo doesn't need to design any major new hardware for a while, and so they get rid of a couple people in that department.

    I shall now go take a sledghammer to my Premier in effigy.
  2. Jan 23, 2014 #42 of 122

    siratfus Member

    Oct 3, 2008
    The folks who paid lifetime for replaytv, are they still be serviced? If my Roamio goes on for 5 yrs then I'll be happy. Anything less than that, I'll be pissed.
  3. Jan 23, 2014 #43 of 122

    replaytv gun talk ignore list

    Feb 20, 2011
    Denver ish...
    Yes, ReplayTV lifetime still receives TV info, as does automatic commercial advance!!
    I too was worried about lifetime for TiVos going away.
  4. Jan 23, 2014 #44 of 122

    mr.unnatural Active Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    The announcement only means that Tivo won't be designing any new boxes unless they change their mind down the road and bring in new designers. I sincerely doubt that the Roamio or any other current hardware being sold will disappear anytime soon. Based on what I recall from the original article, it sounds like Tivo wants to concentrate on licensing their software to cable TV providers for use on the cableco's DVRs. I seem to recall that they did this a while back with Comcast or some other provider and it met with mixed results. They must have something in the works that will improve upon this so we'll just have to wait and see what transpires.
  5. Jan 23, 2014 #45 of 122

    reneg Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    I'm convinced that the bulk of the Tivo hardware resources are third party already. Industrial design are the guys that make things appealing for consumers. There is no need for that with a cloud based DVR.

    A next gen consumer Tivo might rely completely on third party hardware team. Not a big deal.
  6. Jan 23, 2014 #46 of 122

    dlfl Cranky old novice

    Jul 6, 2006
    Dayton OH
    Yeah... no matter how you get your video in the future, you're at the mercy of the Cable cos, since they are the sole source of broadband in most areas of the country. Treating them as common carrier utilities with heavy government regulation is a proposed solution, but this may be a cure worse than the disease. Can you say "everyone gets 10 Mbps download speeds with no caps, for only $200/mo., with frequent outages" ?
  7. Jan 23, 2014 #47 of 122

    LoREvanescence Always Autocorrected

    Jun 19, 2007
    Salem, MA
    Interesting to see how this goes.

    While I expect TiVo is not done with hardware altogether, it sounds like the main focus is elsewhere. It will be interesting to see if these cloud based dvr's go anywhere and cable companies adapt them over the next few years.
  8. Jan 23, 2014 #48 of 122

    LoadStar LOAD"*",8,1

    Jul 24, 2001
    Milwaukee, WI
    Or they contract it out, which is more likely.

    In fact, I'd wonder whether they aren't already making extensive use of contract design firms to supplement the very limited staff that was just laid off.
  9. Jan 23, 2014 #49 of 122

    andyw715 Well-Known Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    Is TiVo hardware really that special, aside from the chip that contains the licensing information?

    Some memory, a moca/wifi/ethernet adapter, off the shelf disk drive, power supply, 3rd party tuner, cable card decoders, usb bus, CPU, case.
    Doesn't seem to be anything really specialized.

    Maybe Im wrong.
  10. Jan 23, 2014 #50 of 122

    JosephB Member

    Nov 19, 2010
    Birmingham, AL
    TiVo didn't do hardware for a long time of their initial product lines. This initially worried me, but TiVo has since put out the fire. Plenty of OEMs out there are perfectly capable of building TiVo hardware for them (and already do, to TiVo's specs) and plenty of capable industrial design firms out there can design new hardware that doesn't suck on contract.

    It truly is sad for the people who lost their jobs, but, they are in an industry that is booming, I hope and am confident they will land on their feet.
  11. Jan 23, 2014 #51 of 122

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    TiVo never manufactured hardware themselves - it has always been contracted out. They have designed the hardware, though. I'm waiting for folks such as Dave Zatz to tell us what really happened and what it means.
  12. Jan 23, 2014 #52 of 122

    Sixto Member

    Sep 16, 2005
  13. Jan 23, 2014 #53 of 122

    DeltaBill New Member

    Dec 15, 2003
    Marietta, GA
    I'm not worried about Tivo getting out of the hardware business as they have been working with Pace since 2012. The hardware specs on the Tivo branded cable STBs and the Roamio plus are nearly indentical and both are using the same software.

    By working with 3rd party hardware vendors Tivo should be able to reduce the cost of their product while at the same time supplying the exact same units as that offered by the cable companies.
  14. Jan 23, 2014 #54 of 122

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

    Jun 20, 2008
    If anything Sony or Samsung will be the hardware providers. I was quite surprised tivo lasted this long , without a mega-corp buying them
  15. Jan 23, 2014 #55 of 122

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    That seems doubtful. My guess is they would extend their partnership with Pace.
  16. Jan 23, 2014 #56 of 122

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    TiVo has used Pace and Solectron. They might contract out the hardware design as well. (It is not widely known that most laptops are primarily designed by contract manufacturers.)
  17. Jan 23, 2014 #57 of 122

    tbielowicz New Member

    Apr 16, 2009
    I have no doubt that they are going to leave the hardware design/development and build to a third party. Their IP is the Software and that is their strength. The weak link has always been the hardware. It has always been under powered and way behind in technology. Many of the software issues were due to the hardware limitations or issues.

    The Roamio was probably their greatest leap, so it was a nice swan song for the previous hardware team. But in the end, they will have a small team that will establish the minimum hardware requirements and leave the design to others. Makes sense to me.
  18. Jan 23, 2014 #58 of 122

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

    May 14, 2007
    Maybe they're going to re-release a PC version (a la Nero LiquidTV) and we can grow our own, as well as a Roku channel as the new "TiVo Mini", etc.? :D
  19. Jan 23, 2014 #59 of 122

    shrike4242 Member

    Nov 30, 2006
    Saint Louis, MO
    Back in the S1 and S2 days, we had Tivo units from multiple vendors, Humax, Toshiba, Sony (I think) plus others, and they all worked well enough. I had a Toshiba Tivo S2 with a DVD burner in it and it worked quite well until the DVD drive died in it. I had a Sony SVR-1000 S1 unit as my first Tivo.

    Tivo relying on someone else to do the hardware as a ODM wouldn't surprise me, which is what we have all the time with Dell, HP, Acer, ASUS, etc. Companies like Foxconn, Compal, Quanta and numerous other ones out there do the ODM work for major companies all the time. I hope this wouldn't be any different.

    I'm sure Tivo manufacturing is contracted out to a third party company anyway, so it would just be another vendor's logo on the box.
  20. Jan 23, 2014 #60 of 122

    JosephB Member

    Nov 19, 2010
    Birmingham, AL
    It doesn't even have to be another vendor's logo on the box. They laid off some hardware design guys. There's no reason that those tasks couldn't be done by a contract design firm, and still manufactured by someone like Pace or Technicolor to TiVo's specifications with TiVo still handling the marketing, support, etc.

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