1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

TiVo Exits the Hardware Business

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rainwater, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Jan 22, 2014 #21 of 122
    Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

    1,545
    1
    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    This explains the email I receive with a big discount on the Romeo box and the fact that TiVo is giving away the Premiere box. Look like TiVo is unloading their inventory. The summer software update, assuming we receive it, will be the last TiVo update. This is sad day for all of us who supported TiVo. :(
     
  2. Jan 22, 2014 #22 of 122
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    3,687
    4
    Oct 31, 2007
    I don't want them either, but a cloud DVR solution, with the presentation quality of say Netflix could be offered at a cheeper rate then standalone hardware. Once that happens TiVo hardware won't be competitive.

    TiVo has a touch time selling retail hardware now - when it is cheaper in the long run then cable offerings... Imagine when cut rate third parties start entering the fray with ip delivery solutions and cloud base DVR's

    Other benefits to TiVo?

    - no longer have to worry about your crapy network
    - no longer have to offer lifetime subscriptions
    - no longer have to subsidize the hardware
    - no longer have leakage for bad units
    - no longer have people hacking and updating systems
    - no longer have to deal with cable cards, tuning adapter and all the other garbage.

    I love my stand alone TiVo and I hope this "experiment" fails miserably! But, eventually having local copies of content is going to be as odd as film in a camera.
     
  3. Jan 22, 2014 #23 of 122
    cmeinck

    cmeinck Member

    178
    0
    Sep 18, 2003
    I don't care whether I buy hardware from TiVo or a third party who licensed TiVo software, as it doesn't involve my cable company. I cannot see Verizon (or any cable co) licensing TiVo software and providing me with a compelling, cost effective solution that is better than what we have now.
     
  4. Jan 22, 2014 #24 of 122
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    3,687
    4
    Oct 31, 2007
    TiVo is not saying that they are no longer going to sell and produce the Roamio hardware... They simply are not designing the "next hardware update"

    Let's not read more into this than necessary!

    And we don't know, they may choose to outsource the development of any new hardware.
     
  5. Jan 22, 2014 #25 of 122
    tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

    3,649
    5
    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
    So their entire hardware design team was only 7 people and they laid off 5 of them. Somehow this doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. The Roamio line and the mini are really all the hardware they will need for the next 3 or 4 years, probably longer. DVR hardware is a very mature technology at this point. Would people ever need a DVR with 8 or 10 tuners? Probably not. They can probably keep selling the same Roamio hardware they do now, maybe with some minor tweaks and upgrades for many years. And even if they do need new hardware in 4 or 5 years, they can just outsource that to some other company. They really don't need a permanent hardware design team anymore.
     
  6. Jan 22, 2014 #26 of 122
    Aero 1

    Aero 1 Member

    553
    0
    Aug 8, 2007
  7. Jan 22, 2014 #27 of 122
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

    3,687
    4
    Oct 31, 2007
  8. Jan 22, 2014 #28 of 122
    Aero 1

    Aero 1 Member

    553
    0
    Aug 8, 2007
  9. Jan 22, 2014 #29 of 122
    Johncv

    Johncv Active Member

    1,545
    1
    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    Cablevision may have to partner with TiVo to make it work, if it has not received great user reviews. :D
     
  10. Jan 22, 2014 #30 of 122
    rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    7,058
    1
    Sep 21, 2004
    Bandwidth caps will not apply to a cloud based DVR managed by the cable company.
     
  11. Jan 22, 2014 #31 of 122
    rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    7,058
    1
    Sep 21, 2004
    I don't see how this would affect TiVo selling Roamio's at retail.
     
  12. Jan 22, 2014 #32 of 122
    rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    7,058
    1
    Sep 21, 2004
    I don't see how that relates them laying off their hardware team. They aren't still designing the Roamio.
     
  13. Jan 22, 2014 #33 of 122
    tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

    3,649
    5
    Jan 12, 2014
    Raleigh, NC
  14. Jan 22, 2014 #34 of 122
    replaytv

    replaytv gun talk ignore list

    4,402
    0
    Feb 20, 2011
    Denver ish...
    I see from there 10k filling this-
    "We increased the number of our regular, temporary, and part-time employees engaged in research and development by 8% from a total of 288 to 312 as of January 31, 2008 compared to January 31, 2007. "
    Have they gone from 312 people to 2 people in the design department?

    People were talking about TiVo manufacturing TiVos, but they have outsourced that long ago, as mentioned in this old filling. Did TiVo ever manufacture their own product?


    http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/TiVo_(TIVO)/Filing/10-K/2013/F107431344 is the latest filling.
    I wonder if the 'cloud' solution is somehow related to people fast forwarding through commercials. Meaning that with the cloud system you wouldn't be able to fast forward through commercials.
    "The DVR and other new consumer electronic devices which access broadband video have given viewers the freedom to view content when they want; and this time shifting has made it more difficult for advertisers to be assured that their commercials will be viewed by audiences at the regularly scheduled time the program is aired by network or local television stations. "
     
  15. Jan 22, 2014 #35 of 122
    trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

    2,767
    3
    Apr 2, 2005
    Tivo refutes the rumors by saying they shift personnel around according to priorities, there is exploding potential in the cloud and that they expect to deliver on the Roamio for years.

    The problem is none of that says they aren't exiting the hardware business. IT sounds like spin.

    It was expected this would happen as On-Demand was always going to take over one day. It was just a matter of when and not if.
     
  16. Jan 22, 2014 #36 of 122
    jkeegan

    jkeegan New Member

    2,636
    0
    Oct 16, 2000
    Methuen,...
    I was THIS CLOSE to buying a Romio for xmas, but held off since my HD TiVo still works.. Clearly it's better to have the info now before making a choice, but now I'm not sure.. buy the newer one now and future-proof myself as said above, or avoid it..

    Either way, as someone who was hacking their TiVo from the start, this is still a sad day.
     
  17. Jan 22, 2014 #37 of 122
    rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    7,058
    1
    Sep 21, 2004
    Those were not just hardware designers. I would assume their software team has always been much larger.
     
  18. Jan 22, 2014 #38 of 122
    BigJimOutlaw

    BigJimOutlaw Active Member

    2,782
    10
    Mar 21, 2004
    Wired's bad article has been updated. This blew up pretty quickly with the dramatically false "officially exiting hardware" nonsense.
     
  19. Jan 22, 2014 #39 of 122
    unitron

    unitron Active Member

    16,390
    2
    Apr 28, 2006
    semi-coastal NC
    Nope, just the original Premiere.

    :D
     
  20. Jan 22, 2014 #40 of 122
    mattack

    mattack Active Member

    20,750
    4
    Apr 9, 2001
    sunnyvale
    I *sort* of agree with you (e.g. I use On Demand even though I have a Tivo, and the shows that DO let you FF have too much latency).. However, let me still be Devil's Advocate.

    My Tivo + my iPad is sort of already a "cloud DVR" from the iPad's perspective. I *almost* always download to the iPad (which I use while walking on my treadmill), BECAUSE I get better responsiveness compared to trying to skip forward and back when streaming. Except for rare problems (though admittedly more frequent lately, which I haven't conclusively linked to the new version of the iPad app).

    So, if you have local storage to buffer, and can download faster than you can watch (including FF through commercials), I think the idea of a cloud DVR *could* be done well.

    I don't claim it *will* (I think it will be closer to On Demand, where MOST of the time you can't skip commercials -- though lately I've seen a bunch of shows with ABSOLUTELY 0 commercials in the On Demand versions!!! As opposed to the "shrink to very very short commercial breaks a few days after the original airing")... But in theory, having it all in the cloud COULD mean "infinite tuners and infinite storage".
     

Share This Page