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Tivo Desktop refuses to use network drive

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by lpoulsen, May 22, 2006.

  1. pdetombe

    pdetombe New Member

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    Had the same problem with a samba mount; set up NFS client on WIN XP and mounted an NFS share on XP for TIVO desktop to use instead...

    TIVO desktop displayed the same error (refused to "remember" the save to location).
    Perhaps this is a "feature", not a bug. This is really bad, my mediapc has only 40GB, but my linux box (CenOS) has 1.3TB......

    P.
     
  2. EwanG

    EwanG New Member

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    AN option that was mentioned earlier in this thread but seems to be getting overlooked is Galleon:

    Galleon runs on either Windows or Linux

    Galleon will use a networked drive for storing or serving up Tivo or MPEG-2 streams

    Galleon also lets you setup multiple folders for "GoBack" - which if you have a Buffalo NAS device (I have two of the TerraStation Pro devices myself) is very useful to avoid having to scroll through hundreds or thousands of files

    So, for most of the folks in this Thread, I think the "quick" fix would be to use Galleon in addition to, or in place of Tivo Desktop.

    FWIW,
    Ewan
     
  3. jlac839

    jlac839 New Member

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    Tivo Desktop 2.3a seems to fix the network access problem for video. I've been experimenting with Orb (a software alternative to slingbox and hava) and since Orb doesn't support my Windows 2000 Server, I installed it on my desktop. I also installed 2.3a on my desktop. The combination allowed Orb to see my Tivo and both transfer and stream shows to an internet connected device (a laptop in my case connected via an external network). Rather than maintain two separate folders for shows, I thought I'd see if Tivo Desktop on my desktop pc would access the media storage folder on my server. Orb uses the Tivo Desktop to determine the destination folder for transfers and the source for streaming. So, I configured the Tivo Desktop preferences to use the media folder using its network share name (\\servername\folder\folder etc. style - not using a mapped drive letter). Lo and behold, Tivo Desktop did not complain about the setting (as previous versions did), sees the network link and operates correctly with it.

    I then ran another experiment to see if the Tivo Desktop on my server could connect to a folder on my NAS unit. This too worked fine although switching back to the folder on the server's local drive caused some sort of "internal error" in Tivo Desktop which I couldn't get around until I rebooted the server. When it restarted, the Tivo server indicated that the videos folder had changed and forced a reset to the default folder. I was then able to reset it to the correct location (the network shared media folder on a different drive in the server). I haven't quite figured out why this error occurred although it might be due to my desktop installation getting in the way somehow. I may have been able to get around this just by stopping and starting the Tivo services but I'll try that later.

    Anyway, this is good news for those of us who want to store our Tivo transfers on a network share or separate device using Tivo Desktop instead of Galleon (which is a great program but for whatever reason wasn't reliable in my configuration).

    BTW, Orb is working on a version of their software that will allow streaming directly from the Tivo without the need to transfer to the pc first. For those of you who haven't heard of Orb and are interested, just go to http://www.orb.com and download DVR everywhere.
     
  4. bud8man

    bud8man Tivo Evangelist

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    Um...Do you have an XP machine that can see the network drive?
    Do you have TiVo Desktop on that machine?
    Can you map to the drive from the XP machine?
    If so make that drive where your .tivo files reside.
    That's sorta what we do here...with out Linux...and a USB drive.
     
  5. lafos

    lafos Active Member

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    It simply does not work for me using a Buffalo Terastation. I have a drive mapped as V: and a folder in it named TiVo Video. TD 2.3a refuses to map to it, even if I populate the folder with .tivo files. I can map to a USB drive, which I'm doing now, but the Terastation has a lot more room.
     
  6. bud8man

    bud8man Tivo Evangelist

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    Not as clean...but what if...
    You place the downloaded files on the Teradrive...
    Create shortcuts
    and place them in your TiVoToGo folder?
    Of course that means you are not downloading directly to the Teradrive...
    But at least files stored on the Teradrive would be available for TiVo viewing.
     
  7. jlac839

    jlac839 New Member

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    Hi,

    Bud8man, not sure if you were proposing an alternative solution for me but I don't need one now that Tivo Desktop 2.3a is working over the network for me. My first post on this topic back in June mentioned the problem of my Windows 2000 server running TD2.2 failing to recognize a folder on my Infrant ReadyNAS 600 as a target location on which to store (and retrieve) video. It would map ok for music and photos but not for video. I had tested the same configuration using my XP machine running TD2.2 but it had exactly the same problem. I could map the video folder on the RN600 fine on XP but TD2.2 wouldn't recognize it. Other posts surmised that the problem might be to do with SAMBA code.

    I have updated my RN600 recently with new software from Infrant so perhaps this is what has fixed the problem for me particularly if Lafos still can't see his Terastation with TD2.3a (bummer, sorry about that). It didn't occur to me that the network drive access problem might actually be on the RN600 side since I could map audio and pictures ok. If I get some spare time, I might regress one of my systems to TD2.2 and see if the network drive access problem recurs.

    For now, I'm running Tivo Desktop 2.3a on both my Windows 2000 server and my XP desktop PC, the latter to use Orb for testing streaming (since Orb doesn't support Win2K without a lot of mucking about).
     
  8. jlac839

    jlac839 New Member

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    Well, I regressed my XP machine to TD2.2 and to my surprise it could now see the video storage networked location on my ReadyNAS 600 unit configured as \\Servername\folder\folder etc. I assume that it would also work with a mapped drive letter but I didn't bother trying that.

    Thus, it would appear that it's the software update from Infrant that has enabled the network configuration to work for me and not TD2.3a. Mea Culpa for assuming it was a TiVo software problem. I'm still at a loss to explain why the audio and pictures mappings worked in the earlier Infrant software but the video mapping did not. It may be to do with how the code accesses the locations - they are configured differently in TD.

    When I get the chance, I'll ask the Infrant support guys if they could shed any light on this situation.

    Lafos, unfortunately it looks like you may need to get Buffalo to update their software for the Terastation to support this.
     
  9. Karlp327

    Karlp327 New Member

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    2.3a is not working either for me. That is, seeing the network drive does not work. I will regress the Desktop back to 2.2 then.

    SOLUTION FOR ME:
    :up: :up:
    I uninstalled and re-installed and it worked fine. If I am not mistaken I would point the finger at the uninstall of previous version from the 2.3a installation. For some reason I did not feel comfortable with it and thought to uninstall 2.3a from the control panel, add remove programs and then ran the 2.3a installation again. It worked for me. Everything is running as it should.
     
  10. jdgresham

    jdgresham New Member

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    I point TTG to my Windows (Server 2003) file server and it works fine.
     
  11. lafos

    lafos Active Member

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    lafos Active Member

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    Thanks for the ideas, people. I tried uninstalling, cleaning with ccleaner, then rebooting and reinstalling. I tried using both mapped drives and UNC descriptors. No joy. I then tried the same exercise using a second PC as the target. It still did not work. The second PC could not map to the Terastation, either. My main PC runs Windows MCE 2005, and the 2nd PC runs XP Home SP2. I tried to temporarily shut down NAV and firewalls, to no avail.

    I have no other network issues that I know of. I can see all three TiVos and all the networked PCs and printers in the house.

    Guess I'll have to keep using the USB drive. I suppose I could network that, as it's really a Ximeta NetDisk. It uses a driver on the client PCs to map the drive.
     
  13. Obelisk

    Obelisk New Member

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    I was unable to get this to work w/ my TeraSation Pro, but I just replaced it with a ReadyNAS NV and it works fine. And let me just say this: it is SO worth it to have a NAS that supports UPnP-AV (instead of the TS Pro)-- I can now access TiVo-converted files from my D-Link DSM-520 and play them in another room, which simply rocks...
     
  14. Obelisk

    Obelisk New Member

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    Problem solved by complete accident, naturally: I noticed that whenever I would try to move (from w/in the TD Prefs) the My TiVo Recordings (MTR) folder to a new location on the NAS, this problem would occur, and the file "desktop.ini" would show up when it's normally a hidden/system file. Today, while copying some files from the MTR to my NAS, I took the shortcut of simply copying the MTR folder, and when I opened it on the NAS I saw that the desktop.ini file was not showing (and when I checked, properly there and with the right settings as hidden/system). I then tried to move the setting for the MTR folder in TD Prefs to that folder (on the NAS) and it worked like a charm. Would be very interested to know if this method (copying the actual real MTR folder to the NAS, then re-directing TD to it in Prefs) works for others to put this issue to rest once and for all (sorry-- I'm not willing to un-do/re-try this just yet!)...
     
  15. strategy

    strategy New Member

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    I like the program WebDrive. It will map a Windows drive letter to any ftp connection. It acts just like a real local hard drive letter. Very handy and although I stopped reading halfway down the thread will work.
     
  16. cmetcalf

    cmetcalf New Member

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    Underlying problem discovered!

    The problem appears to be that Tivo Desktop insists on setting up the attributes of the desktop.ini file in exactly the way it wants, and makes sure it was set that way. Out of the box, Linux smbd doesn't support "true" Windows attributes; it just fakes it up in various ways. The smb.conf man page documents the "store dos attributes", which requires you to mount your server filesystem with the "user_xattr" option. I added "store dos attributes = yes" to my /etc/samba/smb.conf and "user_xattr" to my home filesystem in /etc/fstab, and now I can store the MTR directory on my Linux server without trouble.
     
  17. bkuschak

    bkuschak New Member

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    I use a small script for pulling the files over the web interface onto my linux box.
    Replace XXXXXXXXXX with your media access key. (To get around a paranoid spam filter on this list, which won't let me type it... also correct the spelling of ht_p below)

    #!/bin/sh
    # usage: ./get.sh '<url copied from tivo's web page>'
    # (don't forget the single quotes!)
    FILE=$(echo $1 |sed 's@\?Container=.*@@g;s?.*/download/??g' |sed 's?%20? ?g;s?%2F?-?g' |tr [\ $] [__])
    URL=$(echo $1 | sed 's?ht_p://?ht_p://tivo:XXXXXXXXXX@?g')
    wget -O $FILE echo $URL
     
  18. jbryce

    jbryce New Member

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    I have not been able to get Tivo Desktop to use a network attached hard drive for program storage. I'm using a Series 2 Tivo brand DVR and 2.3a Desktop software. My computer runs Windows XP Pro. I've disabled firewalling with no success. Networking is wireless from the TiVo and wired to the computer and Iomega 250 MB network attached drive. This drive works fine with with everything but TiVo Desktop. Desktop works fine with the local C: drive and with a USB attached hard drive. It has also worked and stored on the hard drive of another computer attached to the network; that is, the computer running Desktop used the hard drive of another computer over the network by ordinary Windows networking procedures. I set this up with Desktop 2.2 and have been able set Desktop 2.3a to that drive and play the programs stored there.

    Obelisk on 09-05-2006 appeared to have success, but I've not been able to make his method work. He copied the My TiVo Recordings default directory made on his C: drive to his network hard drive and configured it with Desktop. He noted the file attributes on the desktop.ini file were hidden/system. I've not been able to get hidden set on the network drive even with the command line ATTRIB utility. I've also tried uninstalling and reinstalling 2.3a with no success.

    Any ideas? Thank you all very much.
     
  19. telecomkid

    telecomkid TiVo new hand

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    Is there anybody hear about QNAP's TS-101, All-in-one NAS server ?
    it is a NAS with lots of application server features. (BitTorrent download client, Web-based File manager, FTP server, File server (SMB/CIFS), PHP+SQLite, iTunes server, Twonky's UPnP media server, Online Photo album, Remote replication server, Backup server with a backup software...)

    I was asked to join a beta program about one of their new function, called "QTiVo station". The concept is, once you enable the function on TS-101, all recordings will be automatically transferred and backed up to your TS-101 without turning on PCs. By using this feature you don't need to wait and wait for long time transferring but let you NAS to do it. QTiVo function is a well-built function with web-based configuration interface, no need to install anything on the linux.

    If there is anyone interested in joining the program you may send a mail to me. I can also mail you the special version firmware or link you with the product manager.

    Cheers
     

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