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TiVo Coming To Roku?!

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by bradleys, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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  2. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    Like Dave said this is probably not going to be available to stand alone users. It would cannibalize their Mini sales if they did that. Most likely it will be part of a package they sell to cable MSOs.

    It is very cool though.
     
  3. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I agree that is a risk - and Dave is probably correct.

    But, if it really uses the Stream protocol as a driver, I see this as simply another access channel that wouldn't necessarily compete directly with the Mini. It just couldn't offer the breadth of functionality as Mini does.

    If the solution required a service as suggested - it could be cheaper then the Mini, but as I said, not as functional.

    On the other hand, the "why does it require a service" guys would blow a gasket! :)
     
  4. SugarBowl

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    It could be a $150 roku app.
     
  5. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Dish is making a "virtual” Joey app that will run on an LG Smart TV that will require a service fee to use. So, as an MSO option, there is definitely a business model to follow.

    As a retail option? I would think it would be a harder sell depending on the cost. Cable customers are used to added fees on the bill without even looking - another $5.00 a month popping up barely raises an eyebrow for most of the unwashed masses...

    But as a retail option, it is separate and more obvious. It would be very hard to describe the value proposition.

    It just feels like it should be free.
     
  6. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I don't think it'll really cannibalize Mini sales. The UI is not as robust and navigation via the Stream is not as good. Plus you'd have to buy a $130 Stream or a $400 Roamio Plus to be able to use it, TiVo is making money on it one way or the other.
     
  7. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    Agree. This would be a great alternative for a wirelessly-connected TV especially for a 3rd or 4th bedroom. I suspect it would have a service fee and a lifetime service fee that would be slightly less than the TiVo Mini.
     
  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Let's take a leap and assume that Tivo did consider offering the Roku app at retail - I think it is time to play the "what would it cost game" again! :)


    The Mini costs $99 + $5.99 a month ($149.99 Lifetime)

    I would expect that with the Roku app, the app would be free ($100 savings) and the service would be $3.99 a month with no lifetime option.

    Question:

    1) Would a Roku portal subscription give you access to multiple Ruku's in your home or only one?

    2) What would cable labs do if you leveraged the "stream" functionality to allow the Roku to be used in OOH mode! (about as likely as congress passing a budget!!!!) :)


    * This is just a fun swag at a "what if". While I think it is possible that TiVo might offer the Roku app at retail, I do not think it is necessarily likely.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I bet it's free or a small one time fee for the app. Like I said you need a Stream or high end Roamio to use it anyway, so TiVo is getting their money. No need to charge for "service". While some may feel the same about the Mini it's a little different as the Mini provides the full TiVo experience on a secondary TV. This provides an inferior picture (720p), limited controls (skipping only), limited management features and fake live TV. While some may see it as an alternative to the Mini it's really a poor substitute in most cases so I don't think it will be a real threat to the Mini.
     
  10. takeagabu

    takeagabu New Member

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    Looks like this ain't happening.

    "Update: As Takeagabu points out in the comments, the Roku channel may just be an endpoint for TiVo’s network DVR to be offered by cable companies and not necessarily an option made available to retail customers. I know I’d pay for it…"

    "Thru unofficial channels I’ve been informed TiVo is not developing a Roku app. So either these were Photoshopped and distributed to press on the off chance that some day down the line they might decide to build it and seek coverage at the same time corporate email is down… or maybe they’re just not ready to acknowledge their plans. Either way, with TiVo (and most companies), purchasing decisions should be made based on what’s available versus what might one day appear. Although I nearly slipped and purchased a TiVo Stream after posting this. Hope it comes to fruition (and for retail)."
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Takeagabu,

    I just posted a similar thought, but you beat me to it.

    Yeah, I bet that is the case considering what TiVo's focus was at CES
     
  12. gonzotek

    gonzotek tivo_xml developer

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    Yeah, but it's still a fun 'what if...?' thought experiment.
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Why do people assume this is for MSOs? Why would MSOs want this? They have just as much incentive as TiVo, probably more, to rent you a Mini instead. (or in the case of the could service one of their own boxes)

    If this exists then I think it'll be for the retail market. I don't think there will be a monthly fee. And I think the app will either free or a small one time fee. (<$50) Charging monthly for an app doesn't really fit into TiVo's subscription system. Plus there are the logistics of having the app run on multiple Rokus, etc... Just seems difficult to manage.
     
  14. takeagabu

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    Because that was the context it was shown in. It was shown as a mock up (along with an ipad app mock up) of the possibilities when using their cloud dvr prototype.

    And as Dave Zatz has unofficially confirmed, tivo is not working on this.
     
  15. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    If TiVo was actually working on this they would have to finish developing it first. And that would take TiVo two to three years. If we were lucky.
     
  16. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    If they did offer it though, they could really hurt Simple.tv sales. I would probably finally decide to cut the cord with a Roamio basic for OTA and then a few Rokus scattered around. I'm so friggin done with cable and satellite and their pricing scheme/business model.
     
  17. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You could do that now with a Roamio and a couple of Minis. Why would this be better to you? Do you already own Rokus in each room? Or do you think it would be cheaper?
     
  18. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I'm talking so I could only have one device at those TVs, a Roku, for live tv and almost ALL streaming services (unlike a TiVo full, mini or otherwise). I worked out the costs and yes it's cheaper.
     
  19. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Having used both a Mini and a Stream extensively I would much rather have a Mini for a secondary TV. While the experience with the Stream is acceptable when watching a show before bed I would not want to deal with it for long bouts of TV watching. It's touchy and buggy and the trick play controls are a bit slow. The Mini is just like sitting in front of the actual TiVo and using it.
     
  20. davezatz

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    Yeah, I had a few interesting behind the scenes conversations yesterday. And I'm not sure we can trust TiVo's marketing firm due to the doublespeak, contradictory statements. All that is known for sure is that TiVo produced and indirectly provided the images - whether they're merely a mockup OR a screengrab of something in progress, I can't definitively say. Roku was mentioned in regards to the network DVR offering targeted at MSO customers. But these images were provided without context. (This isn't the first time TiVo's marketing folks accidentally slipped images into a press kit - remember user profiles and Comcast On Demand before it was announced?)

    I personally hope it's all true and on track for TiVo retail customers in 2014. And there's no logical reason why I remain a TiVo optimist, given my familiarity with the HDUI and Android streaming. ;)
     

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