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TiVo and clear qam

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by bhelman, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. mike-d

    mike-d New Member

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    I was able to record using comcast without a cable card using Clear QAM on my tivo premiere, until recently. Seems comcast has pulled all my clear qam channels. I hate comcast!
     
  2. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Sounds like it's time to get a CableCard.
     
  3. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    You're lucky it lasted this long. Locally, Comcast started encrypting everything almost 2 years ago. It's still far better than TWC. At least Comcast only copy protects premium channels.
     
  4. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    True, but TWC still has clear-QAM channels.
     
  5. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Probably for not much longer.
     
  6. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    TWC moves at a glacial pace. Most markets still have analog cable, and they won't do away with clear-QAM until they get rid of analog.
     
  7. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra Cable only TCF Club

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    All markets are, by definition, local. So I can't argue that fact. I have 5 analog test patterns and 40 clear QAM channels including the local clear QAM broadcast (and QVC). I am noticing this because my clear QAM are going away slowly at this time. Last week I saw a similar debate in another forum. I have a functioning Premiere and Roamio. To test the non-cable card TiVo, I setup my spare Premiere by starting out with a Guided Setup without a cable card. I then finished with a channel scan. It found all 450 channels, so the scrambled channels were included. I then observed several items. First was a cable card found on eBay would not map my channels. I also found that the channel up/down would only move to whole number channel numbers. I could, however, directly tune the QAM channels by entering the numbers. If I entered 17-2 I received my ABC HD channel. I found that I could not perform a manual recording since that function would only accept whole numbers. I also could not use the red record button to record what I was viewing, since it also showed the whole number and that field could not be changed. My conclusion was that you can tune clear QAM channels without a cable card but you can not record them. I will soon no longer have clear QAM and will miss it. The Premiere did not download 20.4.6 and was running on 20.4.5c if it matters.
     
  8. Pacomartin

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    CLEAR QAM is almost dead in this country. I think the remaining cable companies just haven't gotten around to eliminating it.
     
  9. cannonz

    cannonz Active Member

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    A lot of hotel, trailer parks etc. use QAM for HD distribution though, and will only be more in the future.
     
  10. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    College campus dorms as well.
     
  11. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    Now they can encrypt it, but isn't it still a FCC requirement that they can't copy protect it?

    i.e. it's not Comcast's benevolence.
     
  12. Pacomartin

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    I did not know that. But these kind of places are not really places where you would have a TiVo box. College students don't use DVR's, do they?
     
  13. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    The FCC only says they can't copy protect the local broadcast channels. So there are lots of channels Comcast could copy protect if they wanted to, but they choose not to.
     
  14. shwru980r

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    Since you control the frequencies, you could set them to an existing Tivo lineup for another cable provider and add that specific lineup to your setup instructions for Tivo.
     
  15. JYoung

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    Time-Warner removed analog channels in my area in September of 2014.
    They stopped transmitting any Clear QAM in December of 2014.

    In some areas of Los Angeles, they did the above months earlier.

    So, I have no doubt it's coming company wide.

    (Oh, they also protect all channels except for the OTA rebroadcasts.)
     
  16. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    The lineup doesn't include the frequencies, just the channels. You still need the channel map in the CableCARD.
     
  17. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Yes, when TWC does their "MAXX" upgrades, they go all digital. I think I remember reading that they have estimated that up to 75% of TWC markets COULD get MAXX upgrades by the end of 2016. But at the rate TWC moves, I'd be surprised if half of their markets are all digital by then. Some TWC markets will continue to have analog and clear-QAM for years to come.
     

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