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Tivo abandoning us cord cutters?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by jgantert, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. Aug 19, 2012 #41 of 103
    S3-2501

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    How do you access this? On my Series 3 boxes, the Dolby Digital icon that is used to change audio tracks is completely absent from the program information display when viewing recordings.:confused:
     
  2. Aug 19, 2012 #42 of 103
    steve614

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    That's subjective.
    OTA is more like cable now that it is digital.
    Lots of channels, but only a few are worth watching.
    I'd say it's at about the same ratio as cable.:p
     
  3. Aug 19, 2012 #43 of 103
    innocentfreak

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    There are those that brag the same way some brag about not owning a TV.
     
  4. Aug 19, 2012 #44 of 103
    danjw1

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    There is still the Premier, the four tuner versions are cable only. I wouldn't expect that Tivo would abandon the OTA market. They just aren't going to be giving you 4 tuner versions. I can certainly sympathize with those that choose to cut the cable, I don't care much for cable companies either. For the price of a Premier XL4, you can buy 2.6 Premier's. You can get the multi service on any more then one. Tivo is working on a device you can use without subscription to stream to additional rooms, as well. I can understand that it would be nice to have 4 OTA tuners and 2TB in a single device, but cable cutters are a niche market at this time. Some retailers still have some XLs (I only checked Amazon), so if you act quickly, you can get one of those.
     
  5. Aug 19, 2012 #45 of 103
    plasmadrive

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    I have a Premier and I can tell you the tuner SUCKS! I have six TVs and only one with the Tivo. I can watch all the local channels on every TV but not the Tivo. I have even moved it to where one of the other TVs sits and used that connection but the Tivo still won't pick up half the stations.

    As for the Netflix and Hulu Plus, it works but inferior to the Ruko I bought for $89. Slower, takes longer to update, loses data on a regular basis.

    I was so disappointed with Tivo, whom I have always loved in the past.. They sold me a pile of crap.

    Anyone want to buy my new hardly used Premier?
     
  6. Aug 19, 2012 #46 of 103
    plasmadrive

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    I have a Premier and I can tell you the tuner SUCKS! I have six TVs and only one with the Tivo. I can watch all the local channels on every TV but not the Tivo. I have even moved it to where one of the other TVs sits and used that connection but the Tivo still won't pick up half the stations.

    As for the Netflix and Hulu Plus, it works but inferior to the Ruko I bought for $89. Slower, takes longer to update, loses data on a regular basis.

    I was so disappointed with Tivo, whom I have always loved in the past.. They sold me a pile of crap.

    Anyone want to buy my new hardly used Premier?
     
  7. Aug 19, 2012 #47 of 103
    hefe

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    I'm glad I got a good one. :)
     
  8. Aug 19, 2012 #48 of 103
    lessd

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    In Hartford CT you can't get the Springfield MA stations without a big antenna and correct positioning, but I have not kept up with OTA HD as i don't use it and you still can't get CNBC, the History Ch and many more. Your list had 5 CBS, 2 NBC, 5 ABC and 2 FOX stations, so I would get at best 14 stations having only only 4 different network programs, OTA is sure not for me or my family.
     
  9. Aug 19, 2012 #49 of 103
    aaronwt

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    While the recording was being played back I hit the info button and then selected the audio options at the bottom left. Then a menu came up with the audio tracks I could choose.

    Of course not every channel or program has different options. I first tried it on a CNN recording which had no options. So then I checked CNN live, and there were still no options. I had to select a recording from another cable channel and it gave me the audio options while playing back the recording.


    Me too. I had six or seven Premieres running at one time and they were all fine with OTA. Now I'm only down to one Premiere(with a subscription) with an OTA tuner and it works great with my OTA channels.

    If anything I would say the OTA tuner in my Premiere is better than my Toshiba and Samsung HDTV tuners. And also better than the tuner I have for my Boxee Box. Since the Premiere picks up a few more channels than all of those devices.
     
  10. Aug 19, 2012 #50 of 103
    S3-2501

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    Thanks for the information. I'm guessing that's a feature only available on a Premiere. Virtually all my OTA channels have at least one alternate audio track, but when I view recordings and press the info button as you described, I get no options to choose from other than accessing captioning and parental controls.
     
  11. Aug 20, 2012 #51 of 103
    plasmadrive

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    When I went into chat support with Tivo.. here is one comment from the support personnel:
    "The TiVo has been known to degrade signal quality for antenna and cable channels."
    So TiVo knows the tuner sucks.. they just haven't done anything about it.
     
  12. Aug 20, 2012 #52 of 103
    plasmadrive

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    I doubt you got a "good one".. you got one that works for you perhaps.. but regarding the OTA Tuner.. I don't believe there are any actual "good ones". The tuners are inferior to even my little cheap D to A converter box..

    OH.. and TiVo's original reason to me months ago for their tuner not working well.. "TiVo's tuner is more sensitive because it does so much with the signal than the TV"..
    Yup.. that was what the customer service agent without a clue actually told me.
     
  13. Aug 20, 2012 #53 of 103
    hefe

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    I believe it's a good tuner. I get all my networks without a problem, and better than my previous tuner that I used on the same antenna setup. And 41 miles from the transmitters. (Attic antenna)

    Sorry you didn't get a good one.
     
  14. Aug 20, 2012 #54 of 103
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    There is no "good one" or "bad one" just good and bad receiving environments. A good receiving environment will make the Pemiere shine, while a bad receiving environment will reveal how it's a big step backward from its predecessor.

    I think people are confusing tuner sensitivity with a tuner's multipath handling capability. High sensitivity allows a tuner to do more with a weaker signal, while multipath handling allows a tuner to deal with dynamic reflections of a signal that could be either weak or strong. The Premiere may be really good at detecting and displaying weak signals under ideal conditions, but add in any significant dynamic signal reflections and its performance tanks big time. There was speculation that the Premiere's multipath performance could be tweaked in software, but obviously if this is possible, it has not happened yet.

    Because most OTA TV is broadcast on UHF frequencies, it is extremely prone to multipath problems and it doesn't matter how sensitive the tuner is if the presence of dynamic multipath reflections confuses the tuner.

    Early tuners couldn't handle multipath at all. I live in an area that could safely be called multipath hell: Bottom of a hill, surrounded by trees and other houses, with frequent air traffic overhead. My first HDTV used to lock up whenever it was windy or a plane flew overhead. By the time we got to the series 3, tuners had improved dramatically, and some of the digital converter boxes are outstanding at rejecting multipath reflections.

    Anyway, the Series 3 was the first tuner that allowed me to watch TV at my location without incessant breakups. In direct comparison, the Premiere failed the multipath test at my location miserably, while my Series 3 units, current TV tuners, PC tuner, etc. all continue to sing along just fine in such an unfriendly reception environment.

    I'm in no way challenging anyone who touts the Premiere as working very well for them OTA, I'm just trying to point out that it's most likely working well for them because their receiving environment doesn't tax the tuner in any way that would reveal its faults.
     
  15. Aug 20, 2012 #55 of 103
    atmuscarella

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    Unfortunately I agree completely :(
     
  16. Aug 20, 2012 #56 of 103
    steve614

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    Me too.

    It has to be a local reception issue.

    I have an unsubscribed Premiere on a home made antenna like this:

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    And I get my OTA channels just fine.

    Edit: I will say that the signal strength meter does register lower on the Premiere as opposed to the TivoHD I have on the same antenna, but I don't notice any appreciable difference in the reception. :confused:
     
  17. Aug 21, 2012 #57 of 103
    seattlewendell

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    Why don't you Google "cord cutting movement" and you will see the poster is correct in statement the movement is about saving money. Or you can just continue to think that you're the center of the universe, and that your situation is the rule and not the exception. That seems to be working out well for you thus far.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2012 #58 of 103
    atmuscarella

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    If you have any real data go ahead and post it. All I no is no one has contacted me or any the other people I know that don't currently have pay TV to obtain information on why we don't have pay TV. Lots of people try to save money on lots of things just because someone isn't willing to spend money on pay TV doesn't mean they are unwilling to spend money on a good OTA DVR. I know plenty of people who cut coupons to save money on their food bills but they still are willing to spend money on going out to eat at good restaurants.

    Until someone can prove otherwise, I will continue to think it is foolish to assume someone/everyone who isn't willing to pay for cable/satellite automatically isn't willing to pay for a DVR and isn't interested in a good DVR.
     
  19. Aug 21, 2012 #59 of 103
    atmuscarella

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    I have to believe there is no standard for signal meters. I have 6 devices with OTA tuners and other than my 2 Series 3 units none of them show very similar signal strength.
     
  20. Aug 21, 2012 #60 of 103
    moedaman

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    While I don't feel that Tivo will be abandoning the ota market soon. The recent deals with pay-tv providers show that it's not a market they consider that important. I'm sure the next-gen Tivo's will have an ota enabled model. It will either be a base model with minimal features or even a rebadged current-gen Premiere. Signing up with the pay-tv providers tells me that ota support days are numbered. Which is really too bad. Tivo was a prime example for people to cut the cord. But Tivo is probably making more money working with the cabelco's than they are by challanging the status quo.
     

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