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Time Warner Cable Tuning Adapter (ALL LOCATIONS) / Bugs & Issues

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by dolfer, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. Oct 1, 2010 #901 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

    SCSIRAID Active Member

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    I would suggest the following.... I assume you still have the cablecard installed...

    1) Hook the TiVo straight to the wall behind the unit for RF... no splitters no passthru no TA USB.
    2) power cycle the TiVo and let it boot up completely past the 'acquiring channels' screen.
    3) Go to live tv and attempt to tune two of your local HD channels and note and report what messages you get when you do this.
    4) if you hit live tv it should cycle back and forth between those two channels and you should see their info in the title banner
    5) Go into DVR Diags and take a picture of all the screens and post them here
    6) Go into the cablecard CA screens and check its state. Here is a link to TiVo's doc on those screens. check 'em all

    http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/137
     
  2. Oct 2, 2010 #902 of 1485
    Stone1555

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    Any update on this?
     
  3. Oct 3, 2010 #903 of 1485
    dcstager

    dcstager 1st Gen Tivo Owner

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    Skagit...
    I'm getting more and more missed recordings after months of flawless operation. Maybe it's the new fall season and more people are watching TV whereas in July and August, not much was on and so this is affecting the switched digital video servers at the Time Warner end. Tivo really needs to implement a workaround that re-tunes SDV channels to make sure so many scheduled recordings are not missed. The whole idea of the Tivo is to reliably record your shows and on SDV systems like Time Warner it no longer does.
     
  4. Oct 3, 2010 #904 of 1485
    cwoody222

    cwoody222 Active Member

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    TiVo DOES re-tune at the start of every recording even if it's on the same channel already.

    So if you're missing recordings, that's not the reason.
     
  5. Oct 3, 2010 #905 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    He is talking about doing a retune in the case of a tune failure. The failure mode being seen is that a tune fails to complete and you get a black screen. You can go into DVR diags when this happens and see Program Lock = No. At this point your recording is toast. TiVo does no recovery in this case and you miss your recording. Ive seen it quite a few times. All TiVo would have to do to deal with this is detect the situation where the tune does not result in program lock = yes within a reasonable time and then execute a retune.
     
  6. Oct 3, 2010 #906 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    The new fall shows are on broadcast TV which should actually lighten the load on SDV.... I had a 'miss' just the other day.
     
  7. Oct 3, 2010 #907 of 1485
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Yes TiVo does re-tune a channel at the start (and at the end) of a recording. Unfortunately, if the channel is SDV, it can fail that re-tune, just like it can fail an initial tuning to any SDV channel. Thus you can be sitting there with channel ### already tuned and when TiVo starts a recording on that same channel, it can fail the re-tune and you get no recording.

    What dcstager is talking about is tuning re-tries, i.e., TiVo would detect it has failed to tune (or re-tune) a channel, and retry tuning. DVR Diagnostics for a channel that has failed to tune show "Program Lock: No", so obviously the TiVo has the information right at hand to know it hasn't made a successful tune of the channel.

    TiVo recently has taken the public position that SDV tuning failures are purely the problem of the Cable Cos and their TA devices (see **this post**). This has come around to bite them in the rear in their controversy with the cable operators in regard to FCC Proceedings #79-80 (**here**). Just look at the recent NCTA and TiVo filings. TiVo has blamed the cable operators (correctly I think) for numerous problems with TA's but the operators are throwing TiVo's own recent statements that there are no know issues with TA's back in their face. Note that TiVo's TA Troubleshooting web page (**here**) has recently changed its wording so the "no known issues" statement is no longer there. A year ago, this same web page gave the work-around for SDV tuning failures, i.e., channel-up/channel-down for a manual retune (which doesn't help for scheduled recordings, of course). The wording on that page has changed (at least) twice since then.

    EDIT: SCSIRAID's post #905 came in while I was composing this post, so we cross-posted. No disagreement, however, I think.
     
  8. Oct 3, 2010 #908 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    Absolutely agree... Not enough info to say whose problem this really is... but... its interesting that Im not seeing this complaint from Moto systems.

    However, reguardless of whose problem it is... TiVo could easily work around it and improve TIVO CUSTOMER satisfaction... Just pointing to the cableco doesnt cut it with me. I can only hope that they are acting as an advocate for their own customers to get this issue fixed.... either by working with Cisco to fix it or by including their own workaround.
     
  9. Oct 5, 2010 #909 of 1485
    dcstager

    dcstager 1st Gen Tivo Owner

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    Skagit...
    SCSIRAID and dlfl have summarized the problem I'm complaining about correctly. Tivo could and should implement a fix because the problem undercuts the primary appeal of Tivo, i.e., set it and forget it. I'm getting ready to cut the cable cord and just go with over the air and Internet purchases to see the shows. Now that Austin has Clear (WiMAX internet) I can dump cable completely. The TW people in Austin are already doing everything possible. As you say, Tivo could fix this even if they don't have to. This is the last bug to be swatted and then they can move on to newer and better machines and leave the existing customer base with a reliable product. I can get the next generation Tivo if I want the new bells and whistles.
     
  10. Oct 5, 2010 #910 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    Well.... there is one more bug in need of swatting.... Thats the 'no suggestions with a TA attached' bug. My S3 and THD are both suffering from it. My Premiere is recording suggestions just fine. The Premiere also suffers from the tune fail issue by the way.
     
  11. Oct 5, 2010 #911 of 1485
    cwoody222

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    Maybe I'm just lucky (and I hope I don't jinx myself) but since getting my first CableCards and TA in June the only problems I've had are:

    - when the problem is at TW's end with something provisioned wrong with my cards or something they've messed up with the SDV "map" for TiVo's. Both times were fixed in a day (due to me not putting up with crap! :) ) and I missed a total of 2 shows.

    - 1 channel (FX) would routinely "freeze" when coming and or out of commercials and never recover. That problem seems to have fixed itself as it hasn't happened in months now.

    Like I said, maybe I'm lucky or maybe it's just because I pressed and pressed to MAKE them fix things and get it working right but my SDV & TA setup is fairly reliable. More reliable than my OTA antenna was (it was only a small indoor one... but I was OTA for 3+ years so it wasn't that bad).

    Other than when TW did not have my account provisioned properly has my TiVo ever missed a channel change due to the TA.

    I don't want to sound like a shill for TiVo or TW and I I fully believe things are FAR from perfect with installs and tech support but the hardware & software CAN work.

    PS I have a Series3 bought the first month they came out. So, "old" hardware.

    PPS I don't use Suggestions. Never had. So I don't know about that.
     
  12. Oct 5, 2010 #912 of 1485
    dcstager

    dcstager 1st Gen Tivo Owner

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    Skagit...
    The suggestions recording bug truly is out of Tivo's hands. The cable operator sets the flag that blocks speculative recordings. That's part of the SDV software. How could Tivo "fix" this if they wanted to? You accurately described how to fix the tune fail issue and you successfully fixed the picture break up bug with your expert troubleshooting.

    If TivoJerry is out there -- lobby the Tivo masters to address the serious and crippling tune fail issue -- even if it's not Tivo's fault. More and more operators are going to SDV and Tivo must act in spite of it being someone else's problem. The fix is harmless even if the cable operators later figure it all out.
     
  13. Oct 5, 2010 #913 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    Not true in this case. TWC Carolinas does not block speculative recordings as that would impact their DVR also. I went all thru that with TWC Engineering while working with them on the pixelation issue. To back that up further, note my statement that My S3 and THD with TA are recording zero suggestions... and my Premiere with TA is recording hundreds of suggestions.... If suggestions were being blocked by TWC SDV policy... then Premiere wouldnt record any either.

    Adding more evidence, check the 'Find Programs' / 'TiVo suggestions' page and you will find zero suggestions being queued up for recording. If the issue were blocked tunes, you should expect to still see suggestions queued up but ultimately failing to record.

    I find the evidence overwhelming that this is a TiVo SW problem.

    Also... note Jerry's post on the subject...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8156580#post8156580
     
  14. Oct 5, 2010 #914 of 1485
    dlfl

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    My TA did not get it's authorization renewed (the "Sub Expires" date in the third screen of the "Power Key" section of TA Diagnostics) so, it started the 8-blink dance (and I lost all SDV channels) at the exact time predicted by Sub Expires (10:40 pm Eastern) tonight.

    I called TWC SW Ohio support and explained what was happening to the (somewhat dumbfounded) rep, who said she was going to have to transfer me to "Customer Service" since "they handle TiVo stuff" (yet another new wrinkle in their support facade -- never heard that one before).

    But, I asked her if she had a "Screen 07" on her computer. At first she didn't know what I meant but then she found it. I asked her to hit the Enter key and she did -- voila! My Sub Expires date jumped 30 days ahead, the TA light went steady -- all fixed as quick as that! BTW, the name she knows that screen by is the "Customer Balancing" screen.

    Forum member grumock is who I remember telling us about "Screen 07" and I had tried this once before but the rep in that case didn't get it. But it worked this time, so thanks, grumock!

    I had gone 3 months with the Sub Expires date getting updated once a week but starting about 3 weeks ago the automatic hits they were sending stopped. I asked the rep to send a message to the techies that I wasn't getting the hits anymore. Actually if it could be this easy every time, I don't mind all that much doing it once a month.
     
  15. Oct 10, 2010 #915 of 1485
    Grumock

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    Thanks Del! I guess this means I'm not always making it up as I go along LOL.
     
  16. Oct 10, 2010 #916 of 1485
    pL86

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    The SDV channels in NYC have been macroblocking and dropping audio since Friday night (October 8). It only occurs during the primetime evening hours, starting around 7 pm. The SDV channels are otherwise fine during the day or overnight. I did some searching and found some similar posts in the TWC Carolinas thread from over a year ago. Apparently, the conclusion was that it was related to some MPEG issues? Was that ever fixed? Can we in NYC expect to deal with this for several months before someone figures it out?
     
  17. Oct 10, 2010 #917 of 1485
    Grumock

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    QUICK QUESTION: What type of tuning adapter are you using there? Cisco STA1520 or Motorola MTR700?
     
  18. Oct 10, 2010 #918 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    Yes... It was a TiVo SW problem and is fixed in 11.0h.
     
  19. Oct 10, 2010 #919 of 1485
    pL86

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    Cisco 1520.

    Strange because I have the latest software but the problem just started for me (and others based on some responses in the TWC NYC thread on avsforums).

    Update: A TWC NYC viewer with a company DVR and STB says on avsforums that he's also having the same problem. So it appears that this incidence of pixellation isn't being caused by Tivo or the tuning adapter.
     
  20. Oct 10, 2010 #920 of 1485
    SCSIRAID

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    What do you see in DVR Diags when you see the macroblocking? Is RS Uncorrected incrementing? What signal strength and SNR is indicated in both TiVo DVR Diags and the TA Diags?
     

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