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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    When the Xbox one is in Standby it uses half a watt of energy. When in the standby mode that allows for you to say "Xbox On" it uses 14 watts of energy, for comparison and TiVo Roamio (base model) uses 14 watts of energy.

    When the Xbox One is on it uses on average 72 Watts. When playing a game is 120 watts, a blu ray playback is 80 watts. Watching TV is around 72.

    So lets figure you watch 5 hours of TV a Day and paying .25 cents per KiloWatt Hour. Your cost of using the xbox one with it would be $32.85 a year.

    0.075 Watts × 5 hours = 0.375 kWh (kiloWatt-hour) of energy.

    0.375 kWh × $0.25f/kWh = $0.09

    0.09 x 365 days = $32.85

    A TiVo Roamio cost $7.3 a year to run.

    So you're looking at $40.15 a year if you're watching 5 hours of TV/Xbox One every day. Not to shabby if you ask me.
     
  2. Warp

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    I have a Kill-a-Watt power meter. I'll see if I can find time to hook the Xbox One up through it tonight and get power usage numbers in various scenarios (e.g. when the Xbox is in standby, when it's playing a game, when it's just passing through TV).

    The power usage concern is probably valid. Not so much for when you're watching TV, but for the standby power usage (our Xbox will be in standby something like 20-22 hours per day on average).

    I wouldn't worry about any ill effects on the hardware from leaving the Xbox on. It really is designed to be used that way. And have you seen the vents on this thing and size of the fan that's inside (see the iFixit teardown)? Cooling for the Xbox one is not going to be a problem. :) Not to mention that the unit is nearly silent. Large fans have real advantages.
     
  3. Warp

    Warp New Member

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    I was going to hook up a watt meter and get these values tonight, but maybe I don't need to. Are these your own measurements? Or are they from some particular web site?
     
  4. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    These aren't my own measurements, but you can find many articles that discuss the power usage. I found this one to be the best:

    http://anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/5
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I tried using the full power off mode and my one complaint is that boot up is sloooooow. It sits on that green screen for like 10-15 seconds, then it shows the XBox logo for another 10+ seconds before it finally boots up. With the other option it comes on in less then 5 seconds. I know it seems petty, but I set it to the fast boot mode just because I'm impatient and don't want to wait 20-30 seconds for the console to boot every time.
     
  6. mikeyts

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    AnandTech measured the alert standby mode as consuming 15.3W, more than a TiVo Roamio Basic when recording all 4 tuners. I've been using it (with "Xbox On" turned off) because of the instant restart of the game you were playing; it's probably not worth it even for that and I may stop.

    It's not the monetary cost, it's the pissing power away when easily avoided for no real gain.
     
  7. Warp

    Warp New Member

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    Thanks for the link to the anandtech article. I definitely trust Anand's numbers.

    While the standby number of 15 watts (for the fast-resume and voice-control power commands) is fairly high, I'm still going to use that mode. The ability to be fully booted by the time my TV displays a picture is worth it.

    I'm also really surprised how useful I'm finding the voice-control power commands. There's something magical about walking into the room, saying "Xbox On", and having the entire system (xbox, tv, AV receiver) being ready to watch/play by the time I sit down on the couch. The same goes for shutting the system off. My Harmony is going to get far less use now that I have the Xbox One. Yes, I still need the remote for DVR'd content, but what if TiVo creates an Xbox One app that let's the DVR'd content play directly from the app? I'm optimistic that this will eventually happen.
     
  8. mikeyts

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    Wow! Yours is very fast. It takes about 14-16 seconds to come up from standby and the last game played starts instantly where you left off; from power-saver standby (an outstanding .22W) it takes about 50 seconds and the last game you played starts up from scratch. (That 50 seconds is 20 seconds slower than the Xbox 360).
     
  9. Coffee

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    My only thought is that it looks a lot like a TiVo HD.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I was guessing. I should probably time it. I just know it was significantly slower from a cold boot.
     
  11. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    I respect your opinion that there is no real gain, its great that you're energy conscious.

    IMO it's not pissing power, the gain of being able to Say XBOX ON when I walk into my living room is huge. I have been dreaming about doing that for years. I'll pay for things that make my entertainment/relaxation center easier anyday.

    What pissing power to me is using incandescents/CFLs when LEDs are fantastic these days. I went from using on average 500-600 watts (up to 1,300 if all lights were on) of power to only 40watts (100 watts if all lights are on). I have owned the same LED bulbs for three years now and they will work for another 6 easily with my usage level. Thats some real power savings! Which I don't even get to see yet since I live in an apartment that includes all utilities in my rent...it did make my landlord happy...
     
  12. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    I like to think there will be many TiVo owners who also have an Xbox One.

    Considering people can already make 3rd party network remotes, like KMTGG, if/when MS opens up the App platform to developers on the Xbox One we could see a great add on!
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Just timed it with a stop watch. Took about 16 second to boot up, recognize me and show the home screen in fast mode. In energy saver mode it took 1:05. That's a pretty significant difference.
     
  14. Warp

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    Interesting personal anecdote... I actually returned to the TiVo platform specifically because of Xbox One and it's TV integration features. I had previously been using Windows Media Center with Xbox 360s as extenders, but since Xbox wasn't going to have Media Center Extender functionality, I knew I'd need a new solution going forward. TiVo seemed like it would probably work well.

    So far, I'm very happy with my return to TiVo. The TiVo solution is far better than when I left it a few years ago, and the TiVo is working well with the Xbox One pass thru functionality.

    With the rumors about a more open Xbox One platform, where apps will provide a lot of media content (e.g. Netflix, Amazon Instant, Hulu, etc.), I have high hopes that there will also be a TiVo app for Xbox One sometime in the future that will provide better integration between TiVo and Xbox One (e.g. integrated access to recorded content).

    My only concern that this might not happen (at least officially from TiVo) is that in a small way, TiVo and Xbox One compete. TiVo is also trying to be that app platform, and provides access to things like Netflix. I think both TiVo and Microsoft want to be "in control" of the entertainment experience in the living room.

    It will be interesting to see how things play out over the next couple years.
     
  15. rhettf

    rhettf R3T1CAL

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    Thats a very good point.

    Apart of me wants to think they could at the very least support more basic support: Xbox TiVo brings up the Menu for example, being able to use the left/right/up/down buttons.

    This is IMO the dream integration: Tivo allows the xbox to pull in all recorded shows info into the OneGuide, sorta like the iOS TiVo App. When you say Xbox OneGuide one option is DVR with all your shows, you then can see all your folders and pick a show! Man just thinking about that is titillating.

    Xbox OneGuide > DVR/MyShows > How I Met Your Mother/Select 4 > Episode Name/Play 1

    A problem with that is TiVo can bring you through the menus and they lose out on potential upsells on movie rentals and ad content...sure you can argue that you don't see those when you use a network remote already...but I dunno.
     
  16. mikeyts

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    To each his own. I'm currently using Standby Mode on my Xbox for the instant resumption of the game that I was playing after a 14 second restart but I'm unsure whether its worth the savings of about 1 minute waiting so I may stop. I have "Xbox On" deselected because that's not useful at all in my setup. My Xbox is attached to the same television and AVR as is this PC, my TiVo, PS3, Xbox 360, Panasonic BDP, WD TV Live and Roku 3. I switch between these things using a Harmony One; I have to have the Harmony in my hand in order to switch to using the Xbox One, so pressing a button on it to power the console up is no significant additional effort. Also a TV ad could inadvertently turn on the console (I've seen YouTube clips demonstrating the console following voice commands in a TV ad played in the same room). I do pretty much always turn it off with a voice command.

    EDIT: I just timed restarting an Xbox One game from Standby/OFF with a stopwatch (restarting Ryse) and it took 20.25 seconds to get back into the game from Standby and 1 minute 38.4 seconds from Power Saver OFF. That 1 minute 18 seconds time savings is pretty compelling.
     
  17. rhettf

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    I have a very similar setup and use a Harmony 900. But I changed the method in which I interact with the equipment:

    I have left my harmony 900 in the Xbox One Activity, so it thinks the TV is on. Whenever I start using my setup the first thing I do is say "Xbox On".

    If I need to switch to my Playstation 4/Oppo I do it after I say Xbox On. Then when I am done I start the Xbox One Activity again and say "Xbox Off" and it turns off my TV.

    All my other devices (avr/iScan Duo) have automatic power on based off when a video signal is detected. It than has a auto shut off 30 seconds after no signal is detected.

    I just really like having the XBox One be the center of my experience and since 90% of the time I'm just watching TV/playing xbox games I have yet to pick up my harmony remote since I got the XB1, I do still pick up my TiVo Roamio remote though while watching TV through the XB1.

    Having the xbox on in the background while on other activities allows me to say xbox mute regardless of what component I am using :D


    What does your WD live do that your Roku doesn't and vice versa?
     
  18. mikeyts

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    I like having this stream status overlay available when watching Netflix and the TV Live has it and Roku 3 does not. The TV Live is the single most capable LAN file player of anything in my rig other than the PC and it can play things that my PC can't. (The PC that I used before this one had insufficient CPU speed to play 1080p rips so I used my PS3 to play them via DLNA. The PS3 was incapable of bitstreaming DTS sound from files streamed over DLNA so I converted such files in MKV containers with mkv2vob into the same video in MP4 containers with a stereo PCM track; the stereo PCM track when received by AVRs would be seen as bitstreamed DTS. I collected a significant stack of these before upgrading my PC, on which I now generally play all video files, but that bunch of special conversions could only be played on the PS3. I was shocked to find that TV Live can play them :)).

    TiVo Roamio has replaced TV Live as my favorite Netflix player. It has the stream status display and is some orders of magnitude more responsive to commands.

    I invested in a couple of half meter cables and an HDMI splitter to connect my TiVo to my Xbox One just to check it out the "watch TV function" and to have the capability but I do not anticipate using it much (the TiVo is on a shelf directly above the AVR and adjacent to the Xbox One; it's currently connected to the AVR with a 1 meter cable. I got the splitter but mistakenly thought I had a couple of short cables but I didn't so I'm waiting for them rather than use longer cables inside the cabinet). It won't add much that I'd find to be useful and will increase power consumption required to watch my TiVo by 60W or (probably) more.
     
  19. JosephB

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    I have an HDHomeRun on the way that I snagged off eBay for testing because I'm thinking of going in the opposite direction. I'm thinking of setting up my Xbox 360 through the HDMI in port on the XBone and using the 360 as an MCE. This way I would have literally every single thing on the Xbone's input--TV, apps that aren't on Xbone yet (HBO), 360 games that I still play, and the Xbone itself.

    Haven't decided that's where I'm going because I want to test out the whole Windows Media Center ecosystem, and how I want to run it without having to buy any additional hardware (if it results in me needing to spend $300-700 on a computer, then it's not worth it)
     
  20. mikeyts

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    I've read someone in AVS Forums say that SKIP FORWARD and PAUSE worked for him in the TV app to control his Comcast DVR. Do they work with TiVo?
     

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