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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. JosephB

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    Except that they haven't had 8 years. They have been putting a lot of resources into the Xbox 360 for a long time after it's launch. They weren't immediately writing code for XBone on the day the Xbox 360 launched. Come on, you know better than that.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I know that. But they're both missing such basic functionality it just feels like bad planning.
     
  3. rhettf

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    Where does he say it enables DD?

    He says:

    Its uncompressed audio (PCM) and DTS there is no mention that it passes DD.

    It's okay for people with HDMI because all HDMI receivers accept uncompressed 5.1 via HDMI.


    Many sites reported that it doesn't enable DD. It's combining the DD 5.1 signal from your cable box with the xbox one audio and outputting uncompressed 5.1.
     
  4. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    You're right. He said the pass through beta feature would enable "surround sound" not DD, I just misinterpreted that.

    So I think my original theory might be right and they do not have a DD license at all yet.

    However that should not preclude them from passing through DD from BD discs that use it. As long as they don't alter the audio. Although I guess they might be overlaying onto the audio, just like they do with the pass through, in which case BDs would have the same issue.

    Personally my receiver accepts 5.1/7.1 PCM just fine, so that wont be a problem for me. The only place this will be a problem for me is with my Turtle Beach headset. For that I guess I have to switch to 2.0 and allow it to do ProLogic. But those were already going to be a little FUed because of the lack of a chat adapter.
     
  5. rhettf

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    Something I found concerning though:

    This is why I will leave my Roamio plugged in directly and plug in a mini to my xbox one. For serious watching I'll use the Roamio, for casual the xbox one.
     
  6. Dan203

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    Oh yeah. The decoder can make a big difference, especially if you have a good A/V receiver and have it calibrated to use specific EQ settings.

    Personally I plan to use this for BDs and games. I'm hoping that for BDs they offer an option to pass through audio as-is without decoding inside the XBox, but I'll live with it for now if they don't. (hopefully they add an option in the future if it's not already doing this) For games I really need DD audio for it to be compatible with my Turtle Beach headset. I'm willing to live with stereo/PL for now, but I hope this gets fixed soon.
     
  7. JosephB

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    I highly, HIGHLY doubt that is the problem. Given all of the things that Microsoft does that involves Dolby Digital, licensing it and dealing with any Dolby requirements is probably not an issue. If they can decode it with the beta option turned on for HDMI passthrough, even if it's outputting in PCM instead of compressed DD, they would need a license.
     
  8. mikeyts

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    The device almost has to be Dolby licensed for BD playback. If they're going to give any kind of option for output of Dolby for people who are using S/PDIF or whose legacy AVRs can only handle basic DD and basic DTS over HDMI they need to be able to convert the more advanced sound formats into basic DD or basic DTS.
     
  9. Dan203

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    Decoding is different then encoding. We have a DD decoding license in VRD. It's really easy to get. It's the encoding license that's a PITA.
     
  10. JosephB

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    I still highly doubt that Microsoft would have any problem at all getting a Dolby license of any kind.
     
  11. Dan203

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    It's not that they'd have a problem, but as I said the process is complicated and requires recertification for every change, so they might have just been waiting for the software to stabilize before submitting for certification.
     
  12. JosephB

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    So I have my Xbox One hooked up and everything already setup.

    First, the TV setup is super smooth and simple.

    Secondly, I have had zero problems with voice commands, even with the tv audio going and my kinect is sitting on top of my center channel speaker

    Thirdly, the TV integration is a life changing feature. You can snap TV to the side while you do other things like browse netflix or setup match making in a game or even play a game. Just in the past 45 minutes of messing around, I cannot imagine living without it.

    There is NO dolby digital output from the Xbox under any outputs. You have options as to what to set

    For HDMI these are the output options:
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    For optical output these are the output options:
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    Finally, there is an option for blu-ray dolby digital:
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    However, I put in my Tron: Legacy Blu-Ray, which is DTS in English but the French audio is Dolby Digital 5.1. I have the Xbone HDMI output set to DTS, I played Tron: Legacy with French Dolby Digital and my receiver said DTS while french language was coming out of it.
     
  13. JosephB

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    I'm pretty sure Microsoft is of the size that they can get better terms for their development process. Given how many things are "coming soon" like some of the game DVR/live streaming, etc, I have to assume it was just lack of development resources.
     
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    How is the picture and sound quality of the cable feed when surround beta is on
     
  15. JosephB

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    I have not, in my very limited testing, been able to tell a difference.

    However, in general I'm probably not the best person to make such determinations. Most of the time "good enough" is fine with me.

    I will say, though, that a couple of times that I started "watch TV" I didn't have any audio. I had to stop the TV app (and watching TV through the HDMI passthrough is an app just like netflix or hulu) and reopen it. This is with a 2 Tuner TiVo Premiere as my source.
     
  16. rhettf

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    Well thats good to know. I should be getting my xbox one in 29 minutes at work and will be leaving early to hook it up at home. Once I test out the picture quality I'll give my first impressions of the tv feature.

    Overall it sounds like its really convenient but I think keeping a HDMI input that is only TV will be nice for guest.
     
  17. Dan203

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    From what I've read this is a problem with the "beta" surround feature. I bet if you turned that off it would work better.
     
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    JosephB,

    Thanks for posting the screenshots. Is the Xbox able to control your Tivo at all? I'm planning on attaching my S3 -> Xbox -> TV. I could put it in a different room with a Premiere. I've been assuming I will just need to use the Tivo remote in either case.

    Complicating factor is I've got my S3 in a closet so I'm not even sure how I will do all this wiring.
     
  19. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I think a lot of people thought as you did too with the ps3 decoding but in the end it was rendered moot because you're going from a lossy (DD, DTS) digital format to a lossless (PCM). If it were the other way around there would be compression and interpolation and bits thrown away, then you'd be correct.
     
  20. JosephB

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    Yeah, I ended up turning it off.

    I rarely watch anything on TV that having stereo only for a little while would be detrimental. Sometimes I watch movies on HBO, but I think with my receiver and its HDMI passthrough settings, I may be able to figure out a combination of input selections that I can have the receiver pass the Xbox video (and by extension the TiVo) to the TV yet play the audio from a digital audio input directly from the TiVo, although I'm wondering if I might have sync issues between the audio and video.

    Yep, it will control the TiVo just fine. Of course you basically only have the abilities to send remote key commands, so essentially your interactions with the TiVo from the Xbox will be limited to changing the channel on live TV. You could also yell out "Xbox Pause" and limited playback stuff like that, but you definitely will need the remote to navigate recordings and trick play. Given the limitations as they are now, it's not as bad as you would think.
     

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