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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. Nov 19, 2013 #81 of 257
    Jonathan_S

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    They also clarified (or modified the xbox one so that) it will boot and run without the kinect camera connected.

    Early statements claimed that the camera must be physically connected to use the system; even if you turned it off through the menus. (Now whether that was an actual change to the software or whether Microsoft just back peddled on the way they presented it is a mildly interesting unknown)


    But that distinction maters (a bit) for me, because I occasionally take my 360 (and would take an xbox one) with me outside the home. Not having to bring along the kinect peripheral makes that easier.
     
  2. Nov 19, 2013 #82 of 257
    Grakthis

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    See, this one doesn't work because you don't know me enough to say I have mommy issues. Like, if we knew each other, and I did have some kind of weird relationship with my mom, this would be a pretty good one. But we don't. So it's just kind of weird. Like, what, are you watching me on camera or something? are you outside of my house looking in the window? It conveys a sense of stalkerishness that just makes me feel creeped out.

    That's ok, you have one more try though. Then we'll vote on the best one.
     
  3. Nov 19, 2013 #83 of 257
    Grakthis

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    In what way? What if that indy game cost 1/1000th as much to make? Are you judging sales or profit or number of coders employed or hours spent playing? What is your criteria for "make up?"

    Probably true! I mean, we all know that the GBA is one of the best selling machines, right?

    Yeah, and it's a good movie. I don't think it will work though, because it's just so much easier to develop for the desktop. But they are going to take a run at it and I hope they do well.


    Cite? And do you mean money in PURCHASES or development?

    Oh come on. No, consoles cannot currently play games at 1080P at 60FPS. Literally, neither console can. Ok, that's not fair. How about, neither console DOES. Maybe one of them CAN. we don't know yet. But currently, nothing is doing better than 900P native (upscaled to 1080P) and I think 30FPS? They may have some running higher than 30. 1080P at 60FPS is definitely not the standard yet.

    I might be wrong on the 900P. I think maybe one of the first party games for the PS4 is doing native 1080P? Maybe. I'd have to google it.

    What does the "if any" part mean if not "none?"

    Very few OR none. that's what you said.
     
  4. Nov 19, 2013 #84 of 257
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    I'll just leave you hanging. More fun that way and apparently we're pissing people off with our useless banter.
     
  5. Nov 20, 2013 #85 of 257
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    well, i wont be chaining my tivo to the xbox one this friday. the verge confirmed that the xbox wont pass through Dolby Digital and that the option to transcode it to PCM is not enabled. dumb.

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/20/5117320/microsoft-xbox-one-review

     
  6. Nov 20, 2013 #86 of 257
    Jonathan_S

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    Well that makes it pretty useless.

    I just had another thought. I wonder if the xbox one will have internal volume control? Right now, with a 360, I need to turn the volume down by about 50% for the console, compared to watching TV because TV is so much quieter.

    Even once they get DD->PCM working correctly am I going to be deafened if I get a game invite during a TV show?
     
  7. Nov 20, 2013 #87 of 257
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    Is there some kind of licensing issue that makes it so difficult to deal with Dolby Digital decoding/transcoding? I don't get why, with the cable box integration being such a big deal, this was not even remotely thought about.
     
  8. Nov 20, 2013 #88 of 257
    JosephB

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    Follow up, though, I'm guessing that it works with PCM fine, so you could set your TiVo to PCM and have it work OK?
     
  9. Nov 20, 2013 #89 of 257
    HarperVision

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    So why not just transcode to PCM in the TiVo (turn off DD)? Who gives a hoot where it's transcoded, the real problem is that it IS transcoded and not sent through unmolested as a DD signal, not where it's transcoded.
     
  10. Nov 20, 2013 #90 of 257
    rhettf

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    I thought I would share how I will be setting up my AV setup here.

    [​IMG]

    Before the announcement I was planing on running my TiVo Roamio through the Xbox One but I don't want to suffer any quality loss even if it turns out to be minimal. I am going to keep my Roamio plugged in like it is now and then hookup the TiVo mini to the Xbox one.

    I actually like this solution better since it allows for guests to watch TV without messing with my Xbox One.

    The interesting part is how the remote/kinect functionality will work.

    Because the Roamio uses RF I will put a piece of cardboard around the front (with space for my Slingbox IR blaster) of the Roamio. After Starting the TiVo Roamio activity on my Harmony the TiVo remote is what will control the box. I need to hide the box because frankly programming my Harmony to control two different TiVo's is a pain! I know I can do it but since I like using my TiVo RF remote anyway I won't waste time. Plus the Xbox one will probably send out commands on the universal 0 channel for the TiVo which switches every TiVo back to the 0 channel.

    The TiVo Mini will plug into the Xbox one and allow me to watch Live TV and my recordings if need be but I will want the better picture and sound whenever I am watching something I really want to watch...stereo audio will be fine for the food network or HGTV.

    I will allow the Xbox to control the Mini and AVR, but only for channel changing and volume. Since the Xbox One won't know if my devices are already on using the Xbox On command would probably turn off my equipment plus get the harmony remote confused.

    It's a hack but will allow me to get the best of both worlds. In the future when MS releases real 5.1 support and improves the picture quality I will hook up the Roamio directly to the Xbox One. It would be great to if in the future TiVo and MS bring in deeper device control via network commands.

    TL;DR 5.1 surround isn't support (in beta but reports are not good) so I will just use a TiVo Mini to get Live TV but use my Roamio when wanting a better picture quality and 5.1
     
  11. Nov 20, 2013 #91 of 257
    Dan203

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    That seems excessively complicated. Why do you have a Mini and Roamio in the same room?

    I use to have a setup like that. (i.e. matrix switch, distributions system, etc....) I've since simplified significantly. Once I get the XB1 I'll be down to 4 devices connected to a receiver feeding 1 TV. In the other rooms I have Minis for TiVo and smart TVs for everything else.
     
  12. Nov 20, 2013 #92 of 257
    rhettf

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    Forgot to mention that all of my equipment sits in a closet and the iScan Duo allows me to pipe content to two separate screens. I love not having to see my equipment while watching TV in the living room. My other screen sits in my dining room/office/kitchen so I can watch TV while cooking or play games on my PC with a mouse and keyboard. I live in an apartment and alone so having the same content on multiple screens is ideal. Excessive? Sure. Awesome and convenient for a tech lover like myself? YES

    My setup is exactly like this already but without a TiVo Mini hooked up and a 360 instead of a Xbox One. Its not complicated to the passerby because all of it is controlled by a Harmony 900 that makes it accessible.

    Above all I love this stuff. I love figuring out how I'll make it seamless. Sure it will take a little effort to get it working but then I'll never touch it. I haven't had to change the wiring and remote since I set everything up 3 years ago (besides switching on my XL4 for a Roamio).
     
  13. Nov 20, 2013 #93 of 257
    Grakthis

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    Yeah, that's awkward, but I don't think it will impact too many people. I mean, I'm fairly tech and AV savvy and it doesn't impact me. I don't care if DD goes from my cable box to my TV since I don't run my cable box through a receiver anyways. But I imagine you probably run your HDMI through a receiver, right? Which means you get degraded audio through your receiver.

    I only run BD movies through my receiver from my PS3. Regular TV just goes through my TV speakers.
     
  14. Nov 20, 2013 #94 of 257
    rhettf

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    I'm curious why you wouldn't want to run the cable through the receiver and use actual speakers instead of usually pretty awful TV speakers? does it not have multiple hdmi inputs?
     
  15. Nov 20, 2013 #95 of 257
    Aero 1

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    why should i? i want to hear the source audio, i don't want it transcoded. and yes, i can hear the difference.

    it probably doesn't affect most people, but it affects me. and if this xbox is going to take 20 minutes asking me questions as to what type of cable box i have, what kind of tv i have, and what kind of Surround sound system i have to it control it, the stupid thing better handle audio pass through correctly. watching football in stereo is horrendous.
     
  16. Nov 20, 2013 #96 of 257
    rhettf

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    I can hear the different of DD, DD+, True HD, and Master but I have never noticed the difference of DD/DD+/True HD/Master audio to PCM. I have really nice speakers too. I always want to bitstream but I am willing to compromise on TV Audio since it's already much lower quality than say a blu-ray or vudu stream.


    It sucks it doesn't support 5.1 at launch but I'm glad its in beta and that full support will arrive soon. Its better than never having it. I won't hook up my Roamio until surround is fully supported but will hook up my mini so I can watch live tv that doesn't benefit from surround sound, like the food network.

    I agree it does suck and the sentiment that it doesn't affect most people is annoying. People like us are the ones most likely to buy a XBONE at launch!
     
  17. Nov 20, 2013 #97 of 257
    JosephB

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    How do you plan to deal with the kinect? It only has a 3 meter cable and as of yet no extension is available.

    That is the only reason all of my equipment isn't in a closet in the back of my living room
     
  18. Nov 20, 2013 #98 of 257
    rhettf

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    My closet is just behind the TV and to the left. So the kinect is less than 3 meters away.

    [​IMG]

    They will also release extension cables for the kinect probably, just like the 360 version had: Kinect Extension Cable

    edit sorry I just realized you mentioned the extension cable. I take it your closet is further away than 30 feet?
     
  19. Nov 20, 2013 #99 of 257
    JosephB

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    Yeah, my cables run through the attic. I previously ran an HDMI cable, and 50 feet was *just* enough.
     
  20. Dan203

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    When I had my matrix switch setup I had all kinds of problems. The matrix switch would confuse the EDID on the HDMI so I'd have to fiddle with it to get the proper sound. It would also confuse the distribution system so I'd have to fiddle with it to get it working in the other room if it had been a while. It worked but it was a huge PITA! I've decided I prefer simple. SO like I said I bought TiVo Minis and smart TVs for the other rooms and the only thing connecting the main TV to the other rooms are network cables. It makes everything really simple and reduces cable clutter immensely.
     

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