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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. Nov 16, 2013 #61 of 257
    mikeyts

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    I suppose that people who plot subversive acts against the government should probably avoid doing it in front of their Kinect (or their mobile phones, network connected tablets and computers with webcams and/or microphones). I'm not going to worry about it too much. Since my Xbox One will be in my bedroom I may keep its camera covered when not using it for games with camera features, just in case :D.
     
  2. Nov 17, 2013 #62 of 257
    en sabur nur

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    There are people at both extremes. Some never question authority and others see conspiracies everywhere. All of them are foolish.
     
  3. Nov 17, 2013 #63 of 257
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    I pre-ordered a Xbox One primarily for the tv integration features. I'm upgrading to a Roamio Pro from a Premiere 4, fully knowing that the Xbox One will not be able to integrate my dvr recordings. That's okay, because I'll use the RF remote or, even better, the Tivo iPad app (excellent) to quickly access those, as well as Netflix, YouTube and Hulu through DIAL. The XBOne will add BluRay, Skype, Skydrive, HBO Go and Vudu. The games are just gravy.
     
  4. Nov 17, 2013 #64 of 257
    slowbiscuit

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    Same here. The PC as a platform for online gaming in particular is far from dead because of companies like Valve with their Steam platform and all the MMO games out there that he and his friends play. We have Xboxes here and they are only used as extenders, my son and his friends never use them.

    Same for my daughter, I built her a PC for Christmas last year even though she and her husband have a PS3 and Xbox because the online gaming experience is so much better on a PC. Games like Battlefield have many more players on a side on the PC than on the Xbox (because of console limitations) and the graphics are way better. And there are tons of quality RPGs that are only available online for PCs (Guild Wars 2, Neverwinter, League of Legends, etc.).

    The decline of PC gaming is overrated, in many ways this is the golden age when you factor in online play.
     
  5. Nov 18, 2013 #65 of 257
    aaronwt

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    But also look at the time alot of this info was released. People were freaking out over the NSA stuff. Although it was nothing new and had been going on for many years. But it seemed that people freaked out about it for some reason. And MS got a lot of Blowback because of it.

    As far as using the HDMI input with a Video overlay. I'll believe it when I see it. Typically any device that uses an overlay doesn't get it right. Because it needs to decode the audio, then mix it's own audio, and then either output multi-channel PCM or re-encode back to DD or even DTS. Typically devices end up outputting stereo. And at some point later it may or may not get fixed. I would expect the XBOne to be fixed if it has the same stereo output issue. But only because the XBOne will be around for many years. Other devices in the past with overlays had a short life span so they were not always fixed.

    But I would be extremely surprised if the audio works correctly out of the gate for the XBOne with the HDMI input. I expect it to work like other devices in the past that had HDMI inputs. The HDMI input device will have multichannel audio going into the XBOne and the XBOne ends up borking the audio when it mixes it's own audio in. So you end up with something less than was input. This is the main reason why I do not plan to use a primary device with the XBOne HDMI input. Once I see that it works correctly, it might be a different story. But initially I will use a secondary device with the HDMI input.

    SO I'll either use my ROku3 with the HDMI input or my OTA Roamio Basic since neither one is really a primary viewing device for me. Well I guess the ROku3 is for some Amazon content(I watched Alpha House last night) and the Funimation app, so I guess it will need to be my OTA Roamio Basic instead.
     
  6. Nov 18, 2013 #66 of 257
    mikeyts

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    I'm keeping my 360 and am going to try running it through the Xbox One HDMI input. The best the 360 can output is basic DD 5.1 anyway so hopefully it can output at least that much as PCM or re-encoded basic DD 5.1 (cheap BDPs can do either).
     
  7. Nov 18, 2013 #67 of 257
    Dan203

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    I'm trying to decide if I want to do that or not. Was trying to use the XB1 as an excuse to simplify my system, that will complicate things. Not sure if I'm ready to dump the 360 completely though.
     
  8. Nov 18, 2013 #68 of 257
    Grakthis

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    I can get a gaming PC cheaper than either the PS4 or the Xbox One.

    In 2013? What year do you think this is? My PC requires no more maintenance (for gaming purposes) than my Xbox 360. Actually, my Xbox 360 takes more, cause it broke and I had to send it back for repairs.

    So i'm assuming you don't know about steam?

    Boy is your data out of date! The PC has been experiencing a gaming revolution for about *checks watch* a decade now. Keep up. Steam and online distribution combined with the indy game market has made PC gaming dominant again.


    My situation is not unique, but I will admit, it is not the norm. But you made a statement suggesting NO ONE was like me. we may be a minority, but we exist.

    "buyers" didn't lash out. Buyers made the Xbox One release edition sell-out everywhere. Online forums and trolls lashed out... the same people who think the difference between native 720P upscaled to 1080 vs native 1080 is a "big deal." Those people don't matter to me.
     
  9. Nov 18, 2013 #69 of 257
    Grakthis

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    Really? That's strange, cause I googled "declining PC game sales" and I got (first link).

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/429750/grim-pc-decline-not-hurting-games-says-gabe-newell/

    So, you're wrong by half. And the Xbox 360 has a resale value of under $100 without peripherals. So what point do you think you're making? Oh, I know, It's last gen hardware. Good point.

    See above.

    No they didn't. They added in a menu option. It disables all kinect features. They added a bit. Ooooh ahhhh.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect#Reception

    Like, I am having a hard time taking you seriously right now. You're arguing that a device that was the fastest selling peripheral of ALL TIME after it was released had "no real value" for the "masses."

    I mean, we just established that at least one is. So stop saying "if any." Here's one. I just raised my hand.

    So, you're "if" is wrong. 100% factually untrue. Stop saying it.

    Oh, also, my brother. But he's not buying one. He said "if he were...." So I am not counting him.
     
  10. Nov 18, 2013 #70 of 257
    Grakthis

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    Oh yeah well I am the FBI and I just looked at your secret files and saw that you like to **** sheep. I have pictures right here. I know this because I hacked all of your IPs at the same time and got access to your TV which is secretly receiving light within its LEDS and transmitting that light back to the intertubes.

    I mean, you should see the look on your face, sheep****er! It's priceless!
     
  11. Nov 18, 2013 #71 of 257
    Grakthis

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    I mean, Dan, do you know that the Ps2 outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360 both? And the GBA did too.

    Are you talking about the "decline" of gaming consoles too?
     
  12. Nov 18, 2013 #72 of 257
    Dan203

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    Whoa! Defensive much?

    If you look at the actual sales of popular game titles on the PC you'll see sales are declining, or flat, compared to their console counterparts. Valve is mainly seeing an increase in Steam sales because they're cannibalizing retail boxed sales. And Nvidia and ATI "cheat" on their numbers by claiming Facebook games as "PC games". The vast majority of PC buyers these days are buying inexpensive laptops which are incapable of playing real PC games and impossible to upgrade. There is, and always will be, a group of die hard PC gamers that will keep the PC gaming market viable, but with the PC market itself falling off a cliff I just don't see there being a lot of room for growth.

    As for price.... Show me where you can get a complete gaming PC, including a keyboard and mouse, for less then an XB1/PS4. Not something you build yourself from parts or upgrade your last PC from. A complete system the average consumer can buy off the shelf and start playing games on immediately and actually enjoy the experience.

    As for online experience... I was referring to the complete online experience. Chat, parties, matching, etc... It's been a few years since I used Steam but I don't remember it having anything like that. Each game had it's own matchmaking and chat capabilities that had to be setup from game to game.

    As for my statements about Kinect and the video capabilities... I was simply saying that in my opinion very few day one buyers chose the XB1 over the PS3 because of those features. Most day one buyers are hard core gamers who already have an established preference for one system over the other based on things such as the controller, online experience (i.e. XB live), exclusive games, and what they're friends have. I seriously doubt many gamers with established biases like that will choose an XB1 over a PS4 simply because it has an HDMI pass through port and the ability to control your cable box by talking to your Kinect. That was the point of my statement there.
     
  13. Nov 18, 2013 #73 of 257
    HarperVision

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    wow I didn't think you'd be that jealous of me treating your wife like that! Sorry dude!
     
  14. Nov 19, 2013 #74 of 257
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    Really looking forward to seeing how this works on a Premiere 2 tuner. I sure hope it works well. It is the main reason I am getting an Xbox one. In hopes it works better for auto tuning media. The YouTube casting to Premere has been completely unacceptable, So I hope the XBone can do a better job and then auto tune back to TIVO for tv.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2013 #75 of 257
    Grakthis

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    better than a "your mom" response, but still, kinda reaching in to the vault for that one, aren't we? I think you can do better. Take another shot at it. I'll wait. I don't have anywhere to be.

    Let's say, we'll take your best joke, out of 3, and only count that one.
     
  16. Nov 19, 2013 #76 of 257
    en sabur nur

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    I think it will work out fine. The Xbox One will switch the user to whatever is dispaying on the main screen. So, if I play a recording, using the iPad app for example, that will be playing when I say "Xbox, go to live tv". I'll probably use the Tivo remote (or iPad) for all dvr controls (especially on a Tivo Roamio) and the Xbox One for everything else.
     
  17. Nov 19, 2013 #77 of 257
    Grakthis

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    Popular game titles are not the criteria on which we rate the success of platform. If AAA titles aren't selling as well, maybe that's because AAA titles aren't very good anymore? Maybe people are spending their money on the $5 Indy titles instead?

    There's a ton of room for growth. The indy game market on PCs is absolutely out of control with new games. Games like Orcs Must Die, Monaco and Braid couldn't have existed in 2002. There was no distribution system. Today, you can stock your library with awesome games for under $50.

    Again, the only possible way you can hold the position that PC gaming is dying is if you do not know anything about PC gaming. PC gaming is an exploding market, to the point where I saw repeated discussions of "why buy a PS4/Xbox One? They are just PCs now."

    Depends on how you define "gaming PC" of course. Let's use Skyrim as our benchmark, ok? If it can run skyrim, it's suitable for gaming.

    http://tech.woot.com/offers/23-dual-core-aio-pc-5

    $399.99. A radeon HD 7540D will play Skyrim with decent specs (middle of the road) without any stuttering. 4GB DDR3 is comparable to the Xbox One. And look, it even comes with a 23'' monitor!

    Any day of the week, you can find a PC that will run every single current gen game on moderate specs (comparable to the One and PS4) for under 500 and usually in the 400 range.

    Steam has a friends list, an in-game overlay and the ability to join friends games if the game supports it. Games can use Steams built-in chat settings and configuration, but many do not. matchmaking is up to each game to implement, the same way it is in the One and Ps4 but Valve provides some API help there.

    So, it's up to each game to implement it, the same way it is for the Xbox and Ps4, but the functionality is built in to steam. All first party games use it... some third party ones do.

    I don't disagree with a statement that "many" are that way. I found fault with your claims that "none" of them would be like me. Gamers like me are out there... I mean, the launch titles on both machines are awful. And I've owned every gen of Xbox and Playstation so I am platform agnostic. In fact, I bought a Ps3 before I bought a 360. So i don't have any ties to the Xbox platform i wouldn't sever if I didn't think it was worthwhile.

    The xbox just offered me a value (Kinect) that the Ps4 didn't. Anything the PS4 offers me, I can get on my PC. If someday it offers me exclusives that i want to own, I may make the jump on the future Ps4 slim or something.
     
  18. Nov 19, 2013 #78 of 257
    HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    Haha, I was actually going to use the "your momma" joke, but then it became clear that you have some serious mommy issues that require therapy. I didn't want to rub any more salt into those poor mental wounds.

    P.S. - how's that one? :p
     
  19. Nov 19, 2013 #79 of 257
    mikeyts

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    Could be stop the sniping between Grakthis and HarperVision? Also the totally off-topic exchange about PC gaming???
     
  20. Nov 19, 2013 #80 of 257
    Dan203

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    It takes a LOT of $5 indy titles to make up for the $1 billion dollars GTA5 has sold. If your mesure of sucess is how many games are available then I'm betting iOS is the most sucessful gaming platform in history.

    MS is looking to steal this away as well. They've opened up development on the XB1 to make it easier for indy games to thrive. And with a pure x86 platform using standard DirectX API it should be relatively trivial for those indy developers to port thier games over, allowing to consoles to further syphon sales from the PC market.

    Money matters. And the money is shifting towards consoles.

    I define a gaming PC as something that can play every available PC game at atleast 1080p 60fps. And continue to be able to play every game for the next 5-7 years. Because that's what you get with a console. A platform that is guaranteed to play every game released for the system for the next 5-7 years. You can't do that with a PC.

    That sounds pretty nice. I didn't realize they had developed the experience that much.

    I never said "none". I said "very few, if any".
     

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