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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. Dec 6, 2013 #221 of 257
    mikeyts

    mikeyts Stream Warrior

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    You don't have to know channel numbers and I'm only aware of a couple. You can page through the guide until you find what you want, sorting and filtering it multiple ways, including by channel name, or search the guide for the name of the channel. It's certainly not as convenient as voice commands but there's really nothing TiVo could do short of voice commands to make it easier.
     
  2. Dec 6, 2013 #222 of 257
    b_scott

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    they'll fix it. You also can't get 5.1 out of the output of the optical jack either. it's coming.
     
  3. Dec 9, 2013 #223 of 257
    b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    I have the Tivo split to my receiver and to the Xbox One with a powered simultaneous splitter. I have sound set to 5.1 uncompressed

    Any time I change a channel I lose sound completely. I feel like there's some handshake issue going on.

    edit: somehow turning the Tivo to PCM and back has fixed the issue I think.

    However, i've noticed the OneGuide won't do a thing if you haven't already hit "Live TV" on your remote, so it's kind of pointless.

    also, hitting "back" if you're watching a show to go to Tivo Central blacks the screen out for about 5-7 seconds.
     
  4. b_scott

    b_scott TiVo Fan

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    my PC is on 24/7. So is my server. They're fine, and the X1 will be as well. Power consumption is minimal in the grand scheme of things. I never understood techies depriving themselves of convenience to save a few watts.



    Side Note:

    Does anyone here use a Harmony One remote? I can't figure out how to switch to Xbox One's activity yet use the Tivo's remote buttons. Since the Tivo isn't used in the activity and is on another input (I have it split), I don't think it will work. I have to fake switch to "Watch Tivo" on my remote and cover the IR transmitter so it doesn't change inputs.
     
  5. mikeyts

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    I'm one such techie. I'll bet the Xbox One draws 70 watts or more while viewing TV through it, increasing the power used watching TiVo (video devices) by a factor of 6. I found it to be an awkward experience at best, offering no real convenience improvement at all over watching my TiVo controlled by IR remote. YMMV.

    I use a Harmony One and was doing the same thing you were when I tried TV through Xbox One, but it strikes me that I could have defined a "Watch Xbox One TV" activity using the Xbox One and TiVo with the relevant buttons mapped to TiVo commands.
     
  6. Keen

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    Played a bunch of Peggle 2 last night while watching TV. I'm pretty sold on the benefits of running the Tivo through the X1. Now they just need to improve the TV image quality and get surround sound working, and I'll be a happy camper.
    I made 2 Activities. One for Watch TV where all the buttons on the remote control the Tivo. Another for Play X1, where all the buttons on the remote control the X1.
     
  7. aaronwt

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    Surround sound is working with my Roamio Basic going into my XBOne. The problem is the audio output is not dynamic on the XBOne so it does not match the number of input channels like it should. SO I have mine on 7.1 PCM output. SO whether the content is 2.0 or 5.1 or anything in between, the XBOne will output in 7.1 wrapper with dead channels for anything beyond the number of source audio channels. The PS3 and 360 had this issue too. Over the years it was corrected with most of the apps but it was never corrected for everything. I hope MS does a better job with the XBOne.
     
  8. Keen

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    I don't have a Roamio, so none of this applies to me. Enabling the feature breaks all trickplay features really badly on my Tivo HD, so it must be disabled for now.
     
  9. b_scott

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    thanks, I was thinking the same thing. Might do that.
     
  10. Grakthis

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    Yes, but the Xbox One guide is awful. It's unusable. I mean, I guess if you had a regular cable box, maybe it's better than that? But compared to the TiVo guide, it's just bad.
     
  11. Grakthis

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    If you're paging through the guide, you're functionally paging through channel numbers, in order by channel. That's no different than knowing the channel numbers, except you're too lazy to memorize them, so you scan to find them.

    TiVo could use the slide remote to allow me to type the channel name and filter by what I've typed. Either channel name or show name. Without having to hit 'search' and leave what I am doing. It should work right within the guide, the same way universal search on an android device works.

    They could also allow me to build a custom guide, which includes only specific channels I care about, and have that guide replace the basic guide. Yes, favorites SORT of does this, but it's not the same at all, because favorites is its own thing and doesn't replace the guide.

    They could know based on the channel information what category channels fall in to, and allow me to choose "sports", "local", "movies" as categories and show only those categories. They could do this by having a simple set of folders at the top of the guide that let's me quickly toggle the view.

    TiVo could also filter by what is currently showing, in the same way as above w/r/t channel information. So instead of ESPN always being "sports" it would only be "sports" when a game is actually on, for example.

    There's a million things TiVo could do to break the "channel number" paradigm for guide organization.

    Let me put it this way... does anyone here memorize more than a small handful of phone numbers anymore? Do any of you store phone numbers in your phone ordered by number? Do any of you know the IP Address of google.com by heart? No. Of course you don't. Because memorizing numbers is stupid and awful when what we really care about is what is the thing those numbers represent.

    The fact that I have to flip through a guide ordered by NUMBER instead of one ordered by channel name, category, HD/Non-HD or whatever other organizational method makes sense to me is a joke. It's easily the biggest failing of TiVo since it falls RIGHT INTO TiVo's core functionality (as a cable box). Forget all of the streaming and digital content... TiVo is a cable box first, and they could differentiate themselves from other cable boxes by doing the guide RIGHT.
     
  12. Grakthis

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    What image quality issues have you noticed? Once I tell it to stop listening, the image quality looks the same to me. But I also haven't gotten up close and really studied it.

    I'm also sold on the benefits of running the TiVo through the Xbox One, though, this morning I had my first "dammit" moment, when my Tivo had to install an update before I could watch TV. That was frustrating, but ultimately not a huge deal. I would say it probably took about 30 seconds?
     
  13. CrispyCritter

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    It sounds like you haven't played around much with the new 'C' functionality within the guide (hit the C button after getting into the TiVo guide). It does a lot of what you want, including what you want above, though based on individual shows rather than channel categories.
     
  14. Grakthis

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    ???

    No, I am not even aware of a "C" button feature. Is this on my Premiere?

    I'll try it out, but is there a thread where people discuss this and what it does?

    I mean, the #1 primary feature I want is the slide remote search. It's such a basic and obvious feature that it continuously blows my mind that I cannot slide out the pad, type "CBSHD" and hit enter and have it jump to CBSHD. Yet, my Xbox One lets me say "Watch CBS" and it goes right to it.

    It even smartly tunes the HD version without requiring me to say HD!
     
  15. b_scott

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    my problem originally was that I had the color space set to PC full level - once I changed my X1 to TV normal whites, everything looked fine. Otherwise it's too dark.

    I think it's really convenient to say "Xbox Watch TBS" without picking up the remote, or remembering what channel that is - or searching in a guide. The problem is, we don't watch much Live TV, and you can't control the Tivo other than when it's in Live TV mode. You can pause/play/etc if a recording it already playing, but you can't get to it without the remote.

    I don't know what "C" function is being talked about.
     
  16. CrispyCritter

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    Yes, it's on the Premiere.

    I haven't seen any thread talking about it, which is a shame. I think it's a nice feature that if it were just a bit more flexible would take the place of much Wishlist functionality for me.

    I agree the search for channel is clumsy now. You can hit "Guide" then "Enter", and then use the slide remote pad for "CBS", but after that you have to go select the right search result from both shows and channels. I'd rather be placed in a restricted search environment and just be searching for channel name/affiliation, as you suggest.
     
  17. Fofer

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    That doesn't make much sense to me (at least from a technical perspective) since the IR commands sent to play/pause/instant replay/skip/FF/RW are the same when watching recorded programs as they are when watching Live TV.

    Indeed, some folks in other threads are reporting success being able to (voice) control the TiVo with those commands in both circumstances.

    Interestingly enough, others had been reporting problems controlling the TiVo when it was playing back live TV, only being able to get it to work with recorded programs (basically the reverse of what you reported) and then responses came in like this one that report it working on both:

    (emphasis mine)

    So perhaps it works with some TiVo models and not others? :confused:
     
  18. Grakthis

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    I haven't had that problem. It doesn't look any darker than normal, to me, except when the guide or voice command is up.

    Right. 99% of the time, it is me saying "Watch ESPN2" at like 6:30 AM when I sit down to eat my cereal and watch Mike & Mike. Sometimes I use it on Sundays (NFL) and Saturdays (College Football) too. But it's basically always sports. Otherwise, I am channel surfing (using the TiVo guide) or watching something recorded, and the xbox plays no role there.

    We do use the "pause" and "play" commands a lot. When watching something recorded, its nice to be able to just say "pause" without having to find the remote. I also use it a lot when my daughter is watching her shows and isn't listening to me when I talk to her. It's nice to just say "Xbox Pause" rather than have to go find the remote. And then when it's paused, she looks at me, and listens.
     
  19. Grakthis

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    It's an IR blaster. It doesn't make any sense for it to work with some and not others, unless the IR codes were different across models.

    edit: in other words "yes, I agree, that makes no sense."
     
  20. b_scott

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    did you read the the sentence? It works when controlling recordings, but you can't get TO them. I.E. the Tivo Central show listing.
     

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