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Thoughts on Xbox One & Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Ron DeGumbia, May 21, 2013.

  1. May 21, 2013 #1 of 257
    Ron DeGumbia

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    I'm curious as to how the hdmi pass thru will function on the Xbox One as far as using the Tivo. The voice commands on the Xbox one seem pretty neat, but I love my Tivos. I really hope they will work seamlessly.
     
  2. May 21, 2013 #2 of 257
    alarson83

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    Its going to use an IR blaster with HDMI passthrough so we'll see how well that works.
     
  3. May 21, 2013 #3 of 257
    sicariis

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    It may be quick at switching modes, but the delay it will have on switching channels using IR blasters will be painful as Im not aware of any Comcast STBs that support HDMI CEC, maybe their new X1 platform does.

    I am interested to see how the XBOX One guide, recording, DVR management all interfaces with cable co DVRs, not sure there is any way it can be a seamless solution when your relying on communication with a secondary box that are notorious for their poor software and lackluster performance. Seems it may end up in a Google TV type of situation where only one provider fully supports the integration potential, while all others are left with a hacky implementation that relies heavily on which direction the wind blows when the IR blaster fires its signals.
     
  4. May 21, 2013 #4 of 257
    aaronwt

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    I'm guessing it would work like google TV did. It had an HDMi pass through as well.
     
  5. May 22, 2013 #5 of 257
    slowbiscuit

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    And probably be another bust like GoogleTV (for those features, not as a game/streamer console).
     
  6. May 22, 2013 #6 of 257
    aaronwt

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    Well hopefully the TiVo Series 5 will have the capability to be controlled over HDMI. If so I would definitely like to try using it with the Xbox One.



    But if it can't be used to easily watch the recorded content on the TiVo, then I guess I won't even bother with it.
     
  7. May 22, 2013 #7 of 257
    dianebrat

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    They don't need to do an ir blaster if they can do network control, that would be a smart move.

    However DVR connectivity has been very conspicuously absent in the product discussion so far.
     
  8. May 22, 2013 #8 of 257
    Dan203

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    Even with network control there is no way it could control the full functionality of the TiVo so you'd still need to use the TiVo UI for most things. It might be able to change the channel on live TV and maybe schedule a one off recording, but that's about it. So basically you'd be using it as an A/V switch box.
     
  9. May 23, 2013 #9 of 257
    dbtom

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    It would be real nice if they made a TiVo app for the 360 like the iPad app. Presumably that app could also easily be ported to Windows 8 /rt. Unfortunately there just aren't enough TiVo's out there for Microsoft to build specific network controls. But if the platform were open enough so TiVo or others could build it could be pretty exciting.
     
  10. May 23, 2013 #10 of 257
    mikeyts

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    I just don't see the point. Why view and control my TiVo via an Xbox when I can view and control my TiVo via the TiVo GUI? If the Xbox had a tuner and a CableCARD slot (or some other authorization/security mechanism) and could function as a DVR itself that would useful but this HDMI pass-thru just seems like stupid console tricks.
     
  11. May 23, 2013 #11 of 257
    aaronwt

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    It certainly makes no sense to put a cable card slot in the XBOne. Cable cards are an extremely niche product for non cable company devices. And the only reason they are in a bunch of cable company boxes is because they were forced to use them.
     
  12. May 23, 2013 #12 of 257
    atmuscarella

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    I agree there is no reason for Microsoft to put a cable card slot into XBOne but there is also no reason Microsoft couldn't sell add on software for the XBOne that provides functionality equivalent to Windows Media Center and works with external (USB and/or Networked) third party cable card and OTA tuners.

    Regarding the pass through HDMI abilities I understand that, it allows Microsoft to obtain viewing data, insert Microsoft services and provides an option for the people who seem to have problems with changing inputs to switch between devices.
     
  13. May 23, 2013 #13 of 257
    Dan203

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    They said it has a away to run Windows so that might be possible. Not sure if there is much of a market for it though.
     
  14. May 23, 2013 #14 of 257
    riz

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    Well for starters "xbox: pause" and "xbox play" works really well in its current 360/kinect form...Xbox One looking to up the ante quite a bit with overaly control, vocie commands, gestures with any box, not just TiVo.

    Simple one way commands like pause, play, fast forward etc work extremely well and are not 'Siri' like in any way. With siri you talk, she talks back, u talk again half the time. Slow, annoying, not cool at all...

    Simple commands like "xbox pause" is pretty awesome and totally convenient (imo)

    My thread in the Premiere forums: Voice activated Tivo, via Xbox One... whataya guys think?
     
  15. May 24, 2013 #15 of 257
    TrooperOrange

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    I was wondering the exact same thing.

    On first blush I was thinking "Oh man, this will be great, when will they talk about DVR functionality" ... then I realized they don't have any tuner, or near big enough HDD for the xbox to be a DVR, so then I though "well maybe they'll talk about DVR integration" ... nope.

    So then after the press conference I googled around. It is using an IR blaster as people have mentioned. Talk about half assed.

    Why would I want an xbox UI over top of my tivo UI, use voice for some stuff, but not 90% of what we do in my house which is pre-recorded shows.

    I found this article, that pretty much sums up my sentiments: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4...xbox-one-microsoft-didnt-learn-from-google-tv

    At this juncture I don't see the point of the TV functionality of the xbox. My harmony will just as easily switch inputs to a PS 4 or Xbox, or Steam Big Picture box or whatever just as easy as saying "xbox, tv".

    Having worked with IR blasters in the past, talk about error prone.

    I was disappointed to be frank. (does it show? lol) I would pay good money for a true all in one box for blu ray, streaming, gaming, and DVR/tuners.
     
  16. May 24, 2013 #16 of 257
    TrooperOrange

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    Something just dawned on me.

    Could it be possible MS has IP TV up their sleeve and just hasn't announced yet?

    Far fetched, pipe dream, I know.
     
  17. May 24, 2013 #17 of 257
    riz

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    ^^^ thx for the article.. hmm, pretty bummed now too.. I dont watch live tv very often but wanted the voice commands... TiVo Series 5 will have to answer the call then :)

    TiVo: pause

    TiVo: play

    TiVo Pretty Please :)
     
  18. May 24, 2013 #18 of 257
    mikeyts

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    I think that they had an Xbox 360 IPTV service available in other countries.
     
  19. Jul 23, 2013 #19 of 257
    dirtyvu

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    that Verge article is wrong on a number of fronts. he's using his Google TV experience and basing his opinion on that experience (and don't forget, Patel was pushing Google TV hard to anyone that would listen to him since his Engadget days). He didn't give up on his Google TV until his readers kept deluging him with posts saying how crappy Google TV was.

    the Kinect is acting as the IR blaster in this case. in case you can't use the HDMI connection. this isn't your tape-the-IR-blaster thing that you grew up on.

    google cnet kinect ir blaster. that's a good article on the potential. yeah, it's potential but that's better than conjecture based on Google TV.
     
  20. Jul 23, 2013 #20 of 257
    wco81

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    Gimmick.

    Anyways, they want the X1 to aggregate all your sources rather than your AV receiver?

    One reason is so that it's always on and Kinect can be used in new ways to collect data.

    Someone said watching certain programming, verified by Kinect, would earn you some Xbox Achievement points.:rolleyes:
     

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