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The Watching Live While Recording Something Else Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by ZikZak, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. Mar 27, 2004 #81 of 154
    lip89

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    I followed Tivos set up for using an RF splitter to run record on Tivo and watch something else. It works fine. YOu get a very powerfull splitter and run the cable line from the wall to the splitter. Then you run one coax to your cable box and one to the back of the TV. I can record Tivo in with my s-cable mode and then switch it to Component 1 to watch tv well recording. It works fine, there are no issues with it... and yes you do have to use your old tv remote to switch inputs to watch tv...but the issue is solved...unless you dont have various inputs on your tv..most have them
     
  2. May 2, 2004 #82 of 154
    lemur

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    Thanks for the tip even though I'm not user knowledgeable! I'll bring it up again when I get my Tivo working again. And my son, who of course, is a whiz with anything electronic can help. Just don't give him a car to fix
    I have a program very dear to me that I sleep through, maybe this could help. Thanks, and BTW you sure are smart!!
     
  3. Aug 31, 2004 #83 of 154
    MattP

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    Is there any hack to always disable the RF feed, even when the TiVo is in non-standby mode? It actually boggles my mind that TiVo fails to expose such an option; I have a 7-year old VCR that allows you to choose channel 3 or 4 for the RF output when the VCR is on or to never actively output the VCR's video onto the RF signal, since using RCA video and audio output isn't exactly bleeding edge technology. It's all the more maddening because obviously this is just a software issue, since you can pass through the RF input to the output, but only after the awkward navigation of "Read New TiVo Messages & Setup" and then "Standby." Of course, that can be done blindly (without looking at the TiVo screen) with a press of the TiVo button, page down, select, page down, select. Well, at least it could if TiVo didn't insist on throwing some un-removable advertisement onto the bottom of your main menu for random periods of time.

    In any case, I have analog cable and a TiVo Series 2, I have a TV with PIP, and I can't use PIP with truly live TV and TiVo "on" because TiVo insists on actively transmitting out the RF, even though I have it happily hooked up to the TV via S-Video and RCA audio. So I can't do PIP with TiVo in one window and live TV in another, nor can I just watch live TV without PIP while TiVo records something else without the annoying menu navigation (makes me long for the "Power" button on the remote of my friend's original Sony model). I realize I could get around this design flaw by splitting the cable signal, but as I already have to split the cable signal once for my cable modem, I'd rather not split it a second time--even the "why the hell would you want to do this" original post on this thread points out the signal degradation issue with this solution. So I'm wondering if there are any secret option hacks to just always passively pass through the RF input to the output and never display a TiVo signal on it?
     
  4. Sep 1, 2004 #84 of 154
    HTH

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    On a TiVo Series 2, you can use TiVo Slow PageDn Select to do Standby. It works regardless of a star menu item at the bottom of TiVo Central.

    The simplest way to disable the RF feed out of the TiVo is to not hook it up to anything. Go with the splitter and ask your cable company to increase your signal strength to compensate. Using a 3-way splitter is also better than two 2-way splitters. I wouldn't worry about the signal strength that much; they'd put one on your line if you wanted installation in an additional room.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2004 #85 of 154
    KingBoo

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    Getting to the back of my entertainment center is a pain so I want to run this past the knowledgeable people on this forum to help save some backache. I have a series-2 standalone 40 hour TiVo, Comcast digital cable (Motorola DCT2224), Panasonic VCR, RCA receiver, and an Xbox. Currently I'm runnng a spliter from my main cable to the cable box and the TV with the signal running from the cable box to the TiVo to the receiver with a line out to the tv (standard setup). I want to switch so that the TiVo gets the analog cable signal (my trending shows we really only record the analog channels anyway) so that we are able to watch OnDemand when we want to (I record a lot so the TiVo is constantly in use) maximize my subscription to Comcast. If I run the cable from the splitter to the VCR to the TiVo to the receiver, and from the splitter to the cable box to the receiver will that work? I'm pretty sure that it will, but as I said I want to make sure before I move all my stuff around. It should be noted that I'm aware that I'll have to now use the IR Blaster to change the channels on the VCR. Thanks for any and all assistance!
     
  6. Sep 7, 2004 #86 of 154
    ccwf

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    TiVo cannot change channels on the VCR. I would run the connection from the splitter to TiVo to your receiver. Either connect the VCR's inputs to the other set of TiVo's outputs or to the receiver.

    Although splitter to VCR to TiVo will work, that configuration would require that you be sure the VCR is off whenever TiVo wants to record.

    Finally, you will need to repeat guided setup and tell the TiVo DVR you no longer want it to control a cable box.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2004 #87 of 154
    KingBoo

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    Thanks for the help, I wasn't sure how TiVo handled direct cable connections. You've saved my back much trouble!
     
  8. Sep 22, 2004 #88 of 154
    zati1

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    okay. i've studied these threads long and hard and i still can't seem to find a way to make this work. and i know, i know, i should have been able to by now since i'm sure i've already read it 20 times.

    anyway, i'm trying to hook up cable, no box (with a splitter so i can watch live tv+record) to a tv...to the toshiba sdh400. for some reason i can't get it to work. i've gotten it to the point where i have a second splitter coming out of the tv, since there is only one input there...so i can record on tivo and watch live tv, but now somehow the VCR is out of the loop. i can't see anything playing or recording on the vcr. the way i have it set up now is basically a giant mess of wires because i played the "let's see what happens when i hook this wire up to...THIS!" game. =/

    any help is appreciated, thanks

    jonathan
     
  9. Sep 22, 2004 #89 of 154
    mdscott

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    From your post you have a TiVo and a VCR to connect to a TV with only a single input. I will assume that this is an RF coax connector.

    My suggestion would be"

    Cable to splitter

    Splitter A side --> TiVo --> A/B switch

    Splitter B side to VCR --> A/B switch

    A/B switch to TV

    You would switch between the two inputs to the TV via the A/B switch

    mds
     
  10. Sep 22, 2004 #90 of 154
    zati1

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    so i have to go buy something called at A/B switch? why doesn't it say anything about that in any of the manuals/diagrams? and where can i get one, i can't find it at best buy.
     
  11. Sep 22, 2004 #91 of 154
    ZikZak

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    mdscott's recommendation is good; you will be able to watch & record on both the TiVo and VCR independently. Splitting the cable might result in poorer video quality, however.

    If you don't need to record with the VCR very often, you could set up Wall -> TiVo -> VCR -> TV. If you're using RF cables, you will be able to play back anything you like on the VCR without affecting the TiVo. You can record on both machines, too, by putting TiVo in standby mode. In Standby, you will also be able to watch live while recording.

    Note that you do *not* need a splitter to watch live and record when you use cable with no box.
     
  12. Oct 26, 2004 #92 of 154
    rexie

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    Your post was very helpful and thanks for taking the time. However, my situation is that I have just purchased a tivo, have comcast digital box and an HD tv and may want to watch an HD program through the component input rather than the video input I am using for the TIVO. Can I do this? Thus far, each time I change the TV source, Tivo seems to change the recording source. Can I do what I want? If not, I think the tivo goes back to best buy and I wait for the next big thing...thanks!
     
  13. Oct 26, 2004 #93 of 154
    dmlove51

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    The Comcast box can only output one channel at a time, so you can't watch HD on the component input on your TV, and have input 1 (TiVo) set to a different channel. However, you definitely CAN watch HD on the component input on your TV, and have the TiVo record that channel (the recording won't be in HD, but it will still be better than SD).
     
  14. Oct 26, 2004 #94 of 154
    dmlove51

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    Get yourself an inexpensive universal remote like the One For All 6131 (less than $20). It controls every single one of my components - TV, TiVo/DVD combo, Sony receiver, JVC VCR, Motorola cable box. And, at Jim Spence's suggestion, I've modified it to switch TV inputs with one press of a button.
     
  15. Oct 26, 2004 #95 of 154
    rexie

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    Thanks very much! I'm going to do some more doodling with a splitter to see if I can get to what I am after.
     
  16. Dec 23, 2004 #96 of 154
    dstrat

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    I like the tivo service but I have yet to find the right hook up for me to watch one channel and record anther at the same time. My wife is a horrable channel sufer, and while she surfs so does the recoded material. Lost count of the times my recorded shows are messed up with all kinds of differnt shows. So with me having a cable box, from what I have read on the posts, I cant really watch one record one can I? Unless I forgo the cable box and just get the basic cable signal? So what I am asking now is putting the tivo in stand by would still record shows? And this would free the wife to surf all she wants with out messing up the scedualed stuff? And would a a/b switch allow a two way cable box set up?
     
  17. Dec 24, 2004 #97 of 154
    ZikZak

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    dstrat,

    As is stated in the original post, you need to split the cable upstream of the cable box. One split goes to the cable box/tivo/tv-video-input while the other goes to the TV's RF input. Your wife can channel surf with the TV remote while TiVo records off the cable box. Take the cable box remote and hide it safely away, so that your wife cannot change the cable box channels while TiVo is recording.
     
  18. Dec 28, 2004 #98 of 154
    SonicJMC

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    I get so irritated at not having my trickplay that I just get frustrated and turn it off! I ONLY use the bypass splitter for 2 situations

    1- My TV is capable of turning on at a certain time, so I use it to wake me to the news in the morning. This bypasses my home theater. (My bedroom is the same room with the entertainment system, I don't have a seperate bedroom and living room)

    2 - I sometimes turn on TV just for cartoons to fall asleep to (sometihng leftover from childhood, helps me sleep when insomnia kicks in). This also bypasses the theater.

    Oh, there is one other reason.
    I don't want people f-ing with my DVR, so they are only given my TV remote to use. Sorry, no trickplay for my disrespectful friends friends! LOL!
    What part of "Don't f*** with that!!!" Don't they understand?!
     
  19. Jan 6, 2005 #99 of 154
    ObiWanJenkins

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    Staten Island Cable (Time Warner). I can't run a splitter from the wall directly to the Tivo nor the TV and receive the signal. I must have a box for both analog and digital cable. Time Warner is the only company I have ever seen do this. Does this mean I MUST have two boxes to watch one channel and record another?
     
  20. Jan 6, 2005 #100 of 154
    SonicJMC

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    Yes, that is exactly what it means. Enjoy the double box rental fees!
     

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