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The Watching Live While Recording Something Else Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by ZikZak, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. Feb 17, 2004 #61 of 154
    lvirden

    lvirden New Member

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    It's sometimes fascinating, but nearly always frustrating, to watch people, who don't know me, tell me why that I don't want to do something that I'm pretty certain I do want to do.

    However, this article certainly, if one ignores the extraneously verbage, does present some alternatives
    to someone who is pretty certain they know what they want or need.

    Thanks.

    As for "the only case" - hmm. Let's see. here's one real world example of where I've been asked about watching live tv. My wife wants to watch live tv because the 40 hrs of tivo is usually filled with programming specified by the other 5 members of the family, and once she has watched those programs in which she has an interest, she'd rather not just sit and look at a blank tv screen.

    However, she can't use the standard tivo 'live tv' option, since the tivo's busy recording various programs for the 5 or 6 of us - and since series 2 standalone tivo appears to use its 'live tv' tuner to record, she is left watching all the weird things that the rest of us are watching, until the next one of her shows is recorded.

    So, she can spend out the $400-$600 for her own tivo with lifetime subscription, or we could work out the splitting, etc. so that she could watch something on another tuner somewhere - either the tv, the vcr, etc.

    We finally worked things out, but it took asking a number of people who were certain we didn't need it
    before we got everything cabled correctly.

    Right now, we are fortunate to have figured out a setup where we can watch tivo, video tapes (sometimes that's the only medium that some programming's avaialble on), dvd, or non-tivo'd live tv.

    It does require using several remote controls - that's the scariest part ... keeping track of all the
    devices.

    So to someone really interested in doing such a thing, just know that there are choices if you too have
    some personal reasons why you are pretty certain that you want/need to do it...
     
  2. Feb 26, 2004 #62 of 154
    wcadigan

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    how did you wire your various components?
    I have invested a lot of money in an LCD HDTV which must be watched live to appreciate it. If I wire with a splitter between the wall and the digital HDTV cable box, then I can only Tivo analog stations (25% of all that I get through the cable box), and since I am told the splitter degrades the signal, the picture is not as clear as it coud be. Other than getting a second cable box, I would love to hear other possible solutions.
     
  3. Feb 26, 2004 #63 of 154
    ZikZak

    ZikZak Neurostim Addict

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    wcadigan,

    Many HDTV cable boxes have multiple outputs. Have you tried wiring the box's analog outputs to the TiVo and digital outputs to the TV? This would allow you to do most of your watching through the TiVo, but still watch HDTV live. (You couldn't watch-live-while-recording-something-else, though)
     
  4. Feb 26, 2004 #64 of 154
    mdscott

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    Amplifying on what ZikZak said:

    The Motorola DCT 5100 (used by Comcast in many markets) can be hooked up:

    Component (or DVI) video to HDTV with optical audio to AV receiver or TV.
    S-video (or composite) and L/R stereo audio to TiVo

    When you are watching HD "live" the TiVo will be receiving an SD version of the output -- downconverted by the 5100. The main problem is to make sure (I simply record) that TiVo does not change channels during the program because if it does you will not see the normal warning while watching HD.

    There are a number of us who have similar setups.

    mds
     
  5. Feb 26, 2004 #65 of 154
    lvirden

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    Okay, let's see if I can recall how I have everything cobbled together.

    My television has 3 video inputs - coaxial, s-video, and a red/yellow/white rca plug type of signal.

    Currently, I have a coaxial standard signal cable system feed that I split into two parts.
    The first part goes into tivo, the second part goes into my vcr.

    I use two of the tivo video outputs - one to the television's coaxial, the other to the vcr's audio/video input plugs (allows me to spin tivo recorded shows onto tape - my only video recording format right now).

    I have output from the vcr going into the television's red/yellow/white input plugs.

    I have output from my dvd going into the television's s-video input.

    This allows me to watch television either tivo live, or via the vcr's tuner.
     
  6. Feb 27, 2004 #66 of 154
    wcadigan

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    Guys,
    Thanks for the responses. I do have, from my digital HD cable box, component cables going to my tv, and s video going to tivo, but as you point out, I can't record while watching live tv with this set-up. The only way I can figure to do that is to split the signal, run one signal through the digital HDTV box, the other directly to tivo, and only be able to record analog channels, right?
     
  7. Feb 28, 2004 #67 of 154
    brenrher

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    It's worth mentioning that it appears Comcast's DVI port on the 5100 STB is not enabled in many markets. Folks should be aware that that hooking up via DVI cable and not seeing a picture means there is a problem only if the STB's DVI port is enabled.
     
  8. Feb 28, 2004 #68 of 154
    brenrher

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    I don't think there is extraneous verbage - some topics don't lend themselves to 10-second sound bites. ZikZak has presented valuable information as a volunteer and his style of presenting the information is appropriate.
     
  9. Feb 29, 2004 #69 of 154
    mariahk63

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    I have read the entire thread and understand how to split the signal for cable. I have tivo with dish network. I want to watch live tv and record. Can this be done with a splitter? If so, exactly how? Thanks.

    Maria
     
  10. Feb 29, 2004 #70 of 154
    ccwf

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    For satellite, you will need a second satellite receiver.
     
  11. Mar 8, 2004 #71 of 154
    wcadigan

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    OK, so i broke down and got another cable box! i now split the signal coming out of the wall. one goes to hd cable box and then to tv. oher goes to non-hd (different model) cable box and then to tivo and then to tv. I can watch live tv while recording on another input, BUT, now if i change channels with the remote (non tivo remote)on the live tv box, it also changes the channel on the cable box linked to tivo, so the show i'm recording changes! AARRGGHH! any suggestions?
     
  12. Mar 8, 2004 #72 of 154
    ZikZak

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    You should "Tent" your tivo's cable box, either by physically enclosing the tivo's IR blasters around the sensor in some way, or by putting tivo's cable box in a closet where it won't see your other remote's IR.
     
  13. Mar 8, 2004 #73 of 154
    wcadigan

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  14. Mar 8, 2004 #74 of 154
    Randy Boecker

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    Bethlehem...
    Ok, I've been through this thread, but I want to verify my specific setup to see what's what. Please bear with me, I'm on day 3 of my Tivo....

    I have a Dish Network 6000 receiver that I use for most of my channels. I also have "lifeline" cable that I use for just the locals for now (Dish still doesn't carry my local independent local channel) I don't have a cable box, I just have the cable IN line running directly into the Coax input on the Tivo. The satellite receiver is connected using analog audio and S-Video.

    Now, a common scenario at my house is on Wednesday nights when Enterprise is on the local cable channel. I travel frequently, and need to be able to record Enterprise. In the past, with a VCR, my wife could watch whatever she wanted on satellite while the VCR was recording Enterprise over the cable.

    Is this still possible with the Tivo? If I put the thing in standby mode, will it still record the local cable channel while we watch something on satellite? It would seem that if the VCR can record one channel over cable while we watch a different one, the Tivo should be able to do this as well. I know I'm screwed in terms of watching a show on satellite and recording a different show. It's how Tivo handles cable input as opposed to satellite where I'm still confused.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  15. Mar 8, 2004 #75 of 154
    ZikZak

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    Randy, if you put the unit in standby, you will be watching cable live, not the satellite, since you've got the cable hooked up to the RF in.

    If you run an additional line from the sat box to the TV inputs, then you can watch satellite live while Enterprise is recording by switching inputs on the TV.

    However, since the reason that you want to do this is simply that:

    this should not be a serious issue for you since now your wife can watch any previously recorded program while Enterprise records. Once you've set up Season Passes for all the programs you like to watch, and Now Playing starts filling up with programming goodness, chances are you both will stop watching live TV at all.
     
  16. Mar 10, 2004 #76 of 154
    rongopai

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    Greetings,
    I have a series one 60 hr Phillips Tivo with a splitter and also a selector switch on the TV for the Tivo, Cable Box, and VCR. I just added a Comcast digital cable box (Scientific Atlanta) to my existing analog setup and dropped the DirectTv (External box w/IR Blaster).

    I like to surf the digital channels without affecting the recording of the generally higher priority analog shows. I would to be able to:
    * Record/View analog channels through the
    RF connection
    * Record/View Digital channels through the S-Video
    connection (IR-Blaster)
    * Use the 'Channels I recieve option to select the input.

    I am not trying to record more than one program at a time.
    I would like to avoid getting a second cable box.

    Whif of the Guided setups should I use to navigate this tricky path.
    * When I select Cable and No Cable Box there is
    no option to add the cable box later.
    * When I select Cable with a cable box it refuses to
    use the RF port for anything except specific channels
    origonating from the cable box (2-4).
    * Any combination with satellite only provides options
    for a satellite box.

    I don't see why there is any hardware reason why this can not be achieved since I have been doing essentially the same thing with Directtv for a while. Perhaps a software upgrade is required to enable this feature but I would understand if it is not a high priority for Tivo. Any help that you can provide is most appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  17. Mar 11, 2004 #77 of 154
    ZikZak

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    Sorry, that can't be done currently, as you've discovered. You were probably using the "Satellite with Cable" option when you had DirecTV, but there is no analagous "Cable with and without a box" option in Guided Setup. You're right: this could probably be achieved in software, but TiVo has never done it.

    I'd say your best bet would be to hook it up the other way around, with the cable box feeding the TiVo and the analong line to your TV for channel surfing. You'll get better picture from the TiVo this way too, since you would be using the higher quality inputs instead of the RF.
     
  18. Mar 11, 2004 #78 of 154
    TivoGeezer

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    Correct, this cannot be done with the standard Tivo software. It is a feature I asked for a long time ago, directly to Tivo, before I found this forum, and they apparently blew it off. It seems like a pretty normal thing to want to do.

    Once I hacked my Tivo and added a network connection, so I could get a "bash" prompt (see the "Underground" forum here for more information), I found that there is a program, written by the user "embeem", to do exactly this. You create the initial setup to get digital cable through the cable box with IR to the A/V inputs, and then add the second source of analog cable to the R/F input. Then you remove the duplicate channels from the lineups (also with his software) and it works like a champ.

    Again, this unfortunately requires a hacked Tivo but once you do that and get this installed, life is beautiful.
     
  19. Mar 26, 2004 #79 of 154
    doans

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    I didn't see this specific question asked, but pardon me if I missed it somewhere.
    I have a Tivo Series 2 connected via an RF splitter so that I may watch something else while I am recording another program. This setup works fine except that I have to use the old TV remote to change the channel when using the direct RF input (Tivo connected to S-Video input of TV).
    I can put the Tivo in standby and the power on/off, mute, and adjust the volume with no problems. But, changing the channels does not work. Why? I can mute, power on/off, and adjust volume directly through the TV but can't change the channel?? Doesn't seem to make any sense.
    If anybody could clarify this or give me a suggestion it would be much appreciated. Thanks.
     
  20. Mar 26, 2004 #80 of 154
    bmillsap

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    If you mean with the TiVo remote, I don't think the TiVo remote will control channel changes on your TV - just on the TiVo. You can configure the volume and TV Power buttons to control your TV, but not the channel changes. Idea being, I assume, that when you have a TiVo you won't be changing channels on the TV any more.
     

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