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The Watching Live While Recording Something Else Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Help Center' started by ZikZak, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. Jan 4, 2004 #21 of 154
    jochet

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    I cannot get this to work, I have tried everything (except the right thing) if their is anyone out their with answers, I have questions.
    Regards-Chet
     
  2. Jan 4, 2004 #22 of 154
    ccwf

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    Chet, post details of what equipment you have (cable box, satellite box, antenna, A/V receiver, TV, splitters, …), how each is connected to the other and with what cables, what input/output jacks they have, and, if possible, their models. Many friendly folk here like to help with setup problems.

    If you have more that is not working besides just watching live while recording something else, you may want to look at TiVo's or Electrophobia's wiring diagrams. (There are links in the thread Before you ask—please check these top answers for TiVo questions!)
     
  3. Jan 5, 2004 #23 of 154
    xkahn

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    This week I moved and I replaced my old (working well!) cable system with a new digital cable system from Comcast. It seems like Tivo and digital cable fight a little. My biggest problem seems to be with ONDEMAND -- Comcast's online video rental service. Basically, I tune to channel 1 (a channel tivo doesn't even list as a possibility even when I tell it the correct service I have) and select a movie or show and click watch.

    Since this service is very much like using a VCR, tivo isn't very helpful here. Tivo can't record scheduled shows, it doesn't know to pause or stop the show when switching channels, etc. Also, I'm not sure but I believe that just trying to switch channels doesn't work, so Tivo ends up recording the ONDEMAND show instead.

    So how can I fix this? Tivo needs the cable box to see pay channels. ONDEMAND requires the cable box too. Am I just out of luck and need two cable boxes?
     
  4. Jan 5, 2004 #24 of 154
    ZikZak

    ZikZak Neurostim Addict

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    xkahn,

    You won't be able to program the TiVo to view On-Demand programming, but you should still be able to watch it.

    Since you must use the cable box remote to order the On-Demand programming anyway, the following should work:

    1. Make sure there's nothing important in the To Do list scheduled to record while you're going to watch the On-Demand movie.

    1.5. If you want to record the movie to TiVo, set up a manual recording for the next 2 hours (or whatever) on a random channel.

    2. Use the cable box remote to change to channel 1 and order the movie.

    3. Watch movie and/or allow movie to record. Do not change channels. You should still be able to use the trickplay features, but the TiVo will be confused about the name of the program. That shouldn't be a big problem, though.
     
  5. Jan 5, 2004 #25 of 154
    xkahn

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    Hi ZikZak,
    Thanks for your suggestions. It's a pretty good way to keep Tivo from interfering with the ONDEMAND broadcast. But it isn't quite what I want, I guess. I'd really like to treat the ONDEMAND content almost as a DVD or VCR device since it can do almost everything those devices can do. In this case, Tivo just gets in the way. (Never thought I'd say that!)

    It seems like the only way to fix this is to get a second cable box. :(
     
  6. Jan 5, 2004 #26 of 154
    ZikZak

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    That sounds expensive. You could also run a bypass *after* the cable box around the TiVo, as in

    Wall -> Cable Box -> Splitter or Cable Box Out #1 -> TiVo -> TV

    Splitter Out #2 -> TV

    Just make sure the TiVo doesn't try to record anything else while the On-Demand movie is running--- you may have to disable suggestions or unplug the TiVo for this.

    In my case, I just use regular Pay-Per-View, record it to the TiVo, and use the TiVo's trickplay features.
     
  7. Jan 5, 2004 #27 of 154
    skst

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    xkahn, can you put your TiVo in standby during an ONDEMAND broadcast so that it doesn't interfere? Then TiVo is just a passthrough for the cable box output. (I'm quite a newbie, but it sounds like some TiVos don't support standby, so maybe that's the problem here.)
     
  8. Jan 5, 2004 #28 of 154
    xkahn

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    Skst,
    I believe that Tivo will still try to record shows while in standby... But then I could be wrong. Ideally, the Tivo would be completely stand-alone while I watch ONDEMAND, but for that I really would need two cable boxes.
     
  9. Jan 5, 2004 #29 of 154
    KellyNewbie

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    I am just into my fourth day as a TiVo Series 2 (Toshiba) Basic user, so pls bear with. If you have a TiVo, a VCR and a TV, you have three tuners in your house and so can deal with three channels simultaneously -- I guess this assumes you do not have a cable box supplying only one chan output to you at a time. As I do not have either cable or a cable box, nor a dish -- I am an broadcast-over-the-air kind of guy -- you just need to get the RF input available from the antenna to all three RF inputs. In my case I split the RF out of the wall off to TiVo and to the VCR. The TV RF is daisey chained off the VCR. TiVo also drives the TV off of its composite video (yellow plug) output. So, if I really want to -- actually if my wife would really want to -- I can have tivo catch a program, the VCR catch a program, and watch live TV on my TV -- without the good sound, of course, as the good audio signals go from tivo to home theater amp (Video1 input)and from the VCR to the amp (Video2 input). Seems pretty OK to me, if you need to do three things (three different chans) at once. I think the three devices -- tivo, vcr, tv -- can all be daisey chained together on the RF side. The tivo will need to be put in standby so it will pass the RF signal down the line to the vcr. I haven't tried this one yet, but the chatter on this forum suggests this is a way to go. Actaully, I just remebered that my PC video card has a TV tuner, so I could split the signal again off the antenna and run it to my PC and watch yet another channel on my monitor. Is this too much TV, or what??
     
  10. Jan 9, 2004 #30 of 154
    wcadigan

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    i'm new at this but here goes. seems to be a lot of good helpful info from people here. i have a new hdtv and hd digital cable box from comcast and pioneer 810 tivo/dvd player. professional installer set up so i can watch one channel while recording another, but i'm not sure i'm getting all possible benefits. installer split signal where it comes out of wall, one to cable box, and one to tivo box. as a result, using input 3 i can watch all cable stations (including hi-def), but using input 1 (the tivo box) he has bypassed the cable box, so i get far fewer channels with which to use tivo features for recording, pausing, etc. is there a simple way for a non-techie like me to improve this? i'm afraid to even look at the connections in the back!
     
  11. Jan 9, 2004 #31 of 154
    ccwf

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    Getting another cable box is the simplest and most flexible solution. There are others.
     
  12. Jan 10, 2004 #32 of 154
    souperbait00

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    it may surprise the ZikZa, but there are people who can sit through a show with commercials. now since TiVo wasn't smart enough to make all models able to record more then 1 program at the same time, people need to watch tv as it happens like the rest of the world.

    so i was thinking of buying a tivo as a gift. but the draw back are...#1 if something is lifetime it means your lifetime not a machine that could decide to go crazy at anytime.

    so you said that the directTV tivo records 2 programs that are at the same time....but don't you need the dish? so that doesn't help.

    so I'm not seeing how tivo is something good. it seems to work just like a VCR. sept with less of a headache. so i think i may pass cause this only seems like a headache. so it does everything a vcr does minus a tape. which i think is stupid since i can watch a tape anywhere... tivo should come up with a removable memory.

    i wanted to get this so my mom doesn't have to keep missing shows she forgets to record, plus she deals with alot of tapes since she watchs alot of tv but doesn't have time to watch it, and deals with shows that on at the same time, so she had to use more then one VCR. so it would just be easyer in one place but that seems not to be what i thought tivo can do.

    maybe tivo will find someone who watches tv and listens to problems they have and improve. its just a digital vcr... so what if it can skip commercials on live tv....so can my VCR its called fast forward. :(
     
  13. Jan 12, 2004 #33 of 154
    wcadigan

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    what would others be (w/o getting another digital cable box)?
     
  14. Jan 12, 2004 #34 of 154
    skst

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    Yes, TiVo will still record while it's in standby, but because it's in standby, it won't generate a signal on the RF feed, so it won't interfere with you watching ONDEMAND through the bypass. Of course, if "recording" means your TiVo tries to change your cable box's channel, then there's an issue. Two ways out of that are: 1) don't tell TiVo to record while you're watching ONDEMAND, or 2) get a second cable box.
     
  15. Jan 19, 2004 #35 of 154
    ZikZak

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    Update: added wiring diagrams and info about digital cable boxes.
     
  16. Feb 6, 2004 #36 of 154
    brenrher

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    In setting up two feeds from the wall, one should use a more recent RF splitter, than say one sitting around the basement from a few years ago. I haven't confirmed this yet, but for those of you in the know, I think it needs to have a range of up to 900 or 1000 MHz in order to split the video signal with full strength?
     
  17. Feb 8, 2004 #37 of 154
    dsbrady

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    Three months ago, I got a standalone Tivo while I had basic analog cable. I managed to get our system set up to have Tivo, a VCR, a DVD player, and an older TV (circa 1996) working well together so that we could record 1 thing on Tivo, 1 thing on the VCR, and watch something different on live TV, if we so chose.

    However, with Comcast's recent price increase, we decided to get DirecTV since the package costs essentially the same but with twice as many channels. We went with the free equipment and installation offer from DirecTV.

    Of course, we didn't realize how many differences there were between DirecTV receivers and that our options for using Tivo with the basic receiver were quite limited.

    I ended up buying a higher-end receiver (RCA, about $100) and currently am using an IR cable from Tivo to the receiver.

    However, if I'm right (and I haven't been able to find anything on here or with DirecTV that contradicts this), there's no way to watch something while I'm recording something else, or to record one thing on Tivo and record another on our VCR. I'm guessing this is because the only "tuner" is in the receiver itself (as opposed to a VCR or Tivo having a tuner built-in).

    I know that ideally we would just get the DirecTV tuner with Tivo built in, but we spent $600 on our Tivo 3 months ago (system plus lifetime service). We still have the original DirecTV tuner, so I suppose we could hook that up to the VCR (but we'll have to manually set that receiver to the channel we want to record).

    Are there any other options I'm missing? I know this thread says you don't need to watch live TV, but a lot of shows do not repeat later that week (e.g/, the majority of prime time shows).

    Thanks!
     
  18. Feb 9, 2004 #38 of 154
    skst

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    I'm not familiar with the DirecTV receivers, but AFAIK they're like cable settop boxes, so they're what you need to use to select a channel. That means, although your TiVo and VCR each have a tuner in them (or else they couldn't record anything at all), they're useless. (That's why I'll never get a settop box.)

    You might want to check one of these threads.

    "Before you ask—please check these top answers for TiVo questions!"
    "How to set up VCR with record one and watch one channel with cable box option????"
    "Recording a channel while watching another channel?"
     
  19. Feb 9, 2004 #39 of 154
    dsbrady

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    Thanks. I had tried those threads, and most of those were regarding cable. It seems like you can split the cable input (which was what I was doing when we had basic cable), but I don't think that's an option with satellite, since the VCR probaby can't interpret the Satellite signals itself.

    I guess I'll think of something.

    Scott
     
  20. Feb 9, 2004 #40 of 154
    ZikZak

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    Just to clarify: it's the tuner in the TiVo that's useless when you have a digital sat or cable box, not the TiVo itself, since the TiVo can control the digital set-top box.
     

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