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The Walking Dead S04E04: "Indifference" 11.04.13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by Cearbhaill, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. Nov 7, 2013 #81 of 104
    Cearbhaill

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    They were not flashbacks.
    It was Rick's imagination- what he deduced probably happened.
    Not fact at all.
     
  2. Nov 7, 2013 #82 of 104
    Timbeau

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    I think you may be on to something there.

    As Beryl said, it was dumb to drag the bodies outside, everything probably would have been ok if she told the group what happened, but wasn't Carol worried about what the group would think of her teaching the kids knife fighting skills? Carol's covering up the knifing could be in response to that.

    In my mind the little girl doing the killing makes more sense than Carol doing it.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2013 #83 of 104
    fmowry

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    If the girl did it Carol probably would have told Rick. What's he going to say? "Only my kid can kill people."
     
  4. Nov 7, 2013 #84 of 104
    WhiskeyTango

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  5. Nov 7, 2013 #85 of 104
    Timbeau

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    You're thinking too logically for this show.
     
  6. Nov 7, 2013 #86 of 104
    pmyers

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    I agree. I would have to assume that she would tell him BEFORE being exiled.
     
  7. Nov 7, 2013 #87 of 104
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    A flashback is a scene set in a time earlier than what's currently happening. It does not always have to be a memory. The scene in question was Rick thinking about what happened, but to show that that is what he's thinking, they show us the facts of what happened.
     
  8. Nov 7, 2013 #88 of 104
    Langree

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    That makes no sense.

    "We don't show what he's thinking, we show what happened, to you know, show that he's thinking"
     
  9. Nov 7, 2013 #89 of 104
    pmyers

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    I would have to agree. There would be no reason for them to show us that scene if something different had happened. I'd take that scene as fact.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2013 #90 of 104
    Rob Helmerichs

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    I disagree. It was his notion of what happened. He could be wrong.

    The reason they showed it was to show us what he was thinking, not to show us what happened.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2013 #91 of 104
    MacThor

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    I thought of it as a CSI-like "imaginary crime scene reenactment."
     
  12. Nov 7, 2013 #92 of 104
    heySkippy

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    Definitely not a flashback.
     
  13. Nov 7, 2013 #93 of 104
    Langree

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    This^^

    They use this exact technique in other shows, they will often show it altered as the evidence proves the first "look at the scene" is incorrect.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2013 #94 of 104
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Other shows, but not this show.
     
  15. Nov 7, 2013 #95 of 104
    scandia101

    scandia101 Just the facts ma'am

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    Because what he was thinking was what happened, they showed us what happened.
     
  16. Nov 7, 2013 #96 of 104
    Langree

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    Oh.. that explains it.
     
  17. Nov 7, 2013 #97 of 104
    smbaker

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    I agree. There are clearer ways of presenting rick's process of deduction about the crime. Really, they showed us what we needed last week. The handprint. Asking carol. Carol teaching the kids to kill. Carol mercy-killing with a knife to the neck. The flashback scene was unnecessary, other than to show us, the audience, exactly what happened. It was for those viewers who were not sophisticated enough to put together what happened themselves.

    If they change what happened and have the girl confess, I'd consider that a retcon at this point.

    I don't know why people are so hung up on the girl anyway, there are clear indications that carol was capable of doing this, and that carol has been acting on her own without the approval of the group (namely, teaching the kids to kill).

    I don't think the others will mind carol's exile. Any civilized society needs justice. She committed a murder, she needed punishment. Exiling tyrese instead would have been a terrible injustice.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2013 #98 of 104
    Cearbhaill

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    Because the kid is creepy.
    Because her sister pronounced her "messed up."
    Because she is enamored of walkers, especially Nick.
    Because she seems to be faking being sick.
    Because she seems determined to prove that she is not weak.
    Because her possession of a knife has been painfully anvilicious.

    And mostly because she came out of nowhere to suddenly being heavily featured and there has to be a reason.
    I guess it is possible that she could be a red herring but IMO they are dangling her in front of us intentionally and I don't think they'd waste the airtime if it wasn't going somewhere.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2013 #99 of 104
    DevdogAZ

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    Agree with others that the "flashbacks" were just their way of showing what actually happened. It would be very out of character for this show to show viewers something like that and then have it turn out to be inaccurate. This isn't a "solve a mystery procedural," this is an ongoing character drama, and they've had the killer confess and showed us what happened. End of story.

    I think it would be interesting to know what Rick's (and everyone else's) reaction would have been if Carol had done that to two redshirts rather than one redshirt and Karen who was involved with Tyreese. Seems that the only reason Rick did any investigation and that anyone even cares is because of Tyreese's reaction, not because anyone actually cares that the two people were killed.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2013 #100 of 104
    Zevida

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    I don't think the little girl did anything to the people. Carol wouldn't have lied about that.

    I do think the little girl is messed up and they are setting her up to do something psycho, on top of things she has already seemed to have done (the rats, faking illness).
     

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