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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Sep 10, 2012 #161 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I thought they had mentioned that it would be the same streaming content providers that are available on the premiere?

    And since Amazon streaming isn't on the premiere, I would guess it wouldn't work on the mini, unless they have a new amazon app to go with the Mini release.
     
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  3. Sep 10, 2012 #163 of 1620
    Dan203

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    They could still allow you to pick something from Amazon, have it start downloading to the host TiVo and then start streaming that. I'm not sure if they're allowed to stream Amazon shows though. There might be some issue there.

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  4. Sep 10, 2012 #164 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    The Premieres currently can't stream Amazon content between boxes. You get a red circle with a line through it next to the Amazon title. So I wouldn't expect the Mini to be able to either. But you never know. Maybe the Mini will be the catalyst to get Amazon streaming add to the Series 4 boxes. If that does happen I just hope there will still be an option to download a title.
     
  5. Sep 11, 2012 #165 of 1620
    Jets

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    Why would you need this is Amazon now Prime on the Tivo? The amazon application is so weak I never use it, but then again I have an xbox360 on the same tv.
     
  6. Sep 11, 2012 #166 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I have 360s as well. But I can't say that I use my 360 for Amazon content. My first choice is always the TiVo since it has native resolution output. But that is only for content I purchase/rent from Amazon. For Amazon streaming content my Roku2 is my first choice.
     
  7. Sep 13, 2012 #167 of 1620
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    Question - and maybe no one knows yet - does the mini require moca, or can it use ethernet too? I ask because I read in another thread that the standard 2 tuner premier doesn't have built in moca, but I get the impression that these will work with 2 tuner premiers at some point (not initially, 4 tuner only at first).

    I plan to buy a mini when it comes out and wanna know if I need to either
    1. do nothing, the mini and my premier will work as is over moca
    2. run ethernet, if the mini can use it, or
    3. get 3rd party moca adapters.

    thanks
     
  8. Sep 13, 2012 #168 of 1620
    compnurd

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    Thats a good question... If i had to guess... MOCA will be required for Tuner Stealing and ethernet only for streaming.. But i dont think we know for certain yet
     
  9. Sep 13, 2012 #169 of 1620
    wmcbrine

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    I'm certain all functionality will be available via Ethernet. But I don't actually know. It's just crazy to think otherwise.
     
  10. Sep 13, 2012 #170 of 1620
    Dan203

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    MOCA is just a network technology. The TiVo shouldn't care if it's connected via MOCA or Ethernet, they should work exactly the same. In fact if you had a wifi bridge or powerline bridge, or any other sort of bridge, they will all probably work provided they have enough bandwidth to sustain a watchable stream.

    That's the cool thing about networking, IP is IP, no matter how it's transmitted.

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  11. Sep 14, 2012 #171 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    It has an ethernet port for sure. I'd say no, moca is not mandatory. Ethernet will work if you prefer.

    But I'm unsure... Which Tivos do you have?

    If you want to setup a moca network:

    If you have a 4-tuner box, then all you'll need is 1 moca adapter to connect between your modem and router to light up your house. The 4-tuner box and the Mini have it built-in, so they don't need individual adapters.

    If all you have is a 2-tuner box, it is believed you technically won't able to setup the Mini at this point.

    If you have both a 4-tuner AND 2-tuner box, then you can get a second moca adapter for the 2-tuner box if you WANT, but it's not necessary. But some kind of wired connection is ideal for any kind of box-to-box streaming.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2012 #172 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    As Dan said, MoCA and Ethernet have nothing to do with how the software talks to a Tivo across the network via IP. Either would work.
     
  13. Sep 14, 2012 #173 of 1620
    compnurd

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    I am well aware of how ethernet and MOCA work.... The reason for my statement could be that Tivo may want to get out of the home consumer network issue game... Direct TV did the same thing. When they first started whole home DVR, it worked on DECA(there version of MOCA) and ethernet... when it launched to the public, you had to have DECA installed to use it... If they are going to require a P4 or XL4 at launch to set up a Mini.. There is no reason to think they may require that piece be MOCA
     
  14. Sep 14, 2012 #174 of 1620
    wmcbrine

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    The DirecTV situation is not comparable. They never supported Ethernet to begin with. TiVo has been networking with Ethernet for years. There is no reason for them to stop now.
     
  15. Sep 14, 2012 #175 of 1620
    compnurd

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    .... Direct TV situation was not different.. Ethernet was used for well over 6 months for whole home before they did a full national roll out.
     
  16. Sep 14, 2012 #176 of 1620
    Jonathan_S

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    From what I remember reading all functionality will avalible with either interface (moca or ethernet); but unlike a 4/XL4/Elite the Mini cannot act as an ethernet to moca bridge if both are connected.
     
  17. Sep 14, 2012 #177 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    Exactly, so why are you speculating that they will? Tivo is not going to care what physical link layer you use to route IP packets from the Mini to the boxes, regardless of initial setup, tuner stealing etc. If it has both MoCA and Ethernet connections, either will work to support full functionality. Speculating otherwise is IMO silly, because nothing they've done this far has been that dumb.
     
  18. Sep 14, 2012 #178 of 1620
    compnurd

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  19. Sep 14, 2012 #179 of 1620
    Dan203

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    That's exactly what I remember as well.

    Plus TiVo already supports streaming via Ethernet TiVo to TiVo, and the Mini is basically just a diskless, tunerless, TiVo so why would it be limited to Moca only?

    It sounds like DirecTV did it to further lock customers into their ecosystem. TiVo doesn't have the same incentives. They want to sell products. I could see them maybe locking it to Moca only for one of their cable partners if they requested it, but there is no reason to do that on a consumer product.

    Dan
     
  20. Sep 16, 2012 #180 of 1620
    wmcbrine

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    What happened in a beta doesn't count.

    Other possible reasons:

    1. Avoiding network-related support calls. (This could be the major reason, if they dropped it after the beta.)

    2. Making it harder to intercept the content.

    I remember, back in the HR10-250 days, hearing that the reason DirecTV never enabled network capabilities for DirecTiVos was that they wanted to do networking over coax, only, for these reasons.
     

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