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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Mar 9, 2013 #1581 of 1620
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Not the case for me. Aside from a laptop the only other choice for me would be a Wii and crappy resolution so really no option other than TiVos for streaming Netflix. Since the Mini has been confirmed as much faster running Flash apps it could actually be a reasonably fast experience running Netflix on the Mini. Hopefully Netflix will be coming to the Mini in time...
     
  2. Mar 9, 2013 #1582 of 1620
    Dan203

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    It's unlikely that the analog signal itself is an issue, but it is possible that the way a 2 tuner unit shares a pare of physical tuners, one cable and one OTA, for each "tuner" could be a problem. Although I doubt it. The waiver TiVo filed with the FCC said that at least one of their next gen boxes would have OTA and i'd be shocked if any next gen unit didn't support the Mini.

    I really think it's the number of tuners that's the problem. They don't want to disable live TV on the Mini and they don't want to permenantly hobble the Premiere by relegating it to a single tuner.

    We'll know for sure if that was their reasoning when dynamic tuner allocation is done. If they allow 2 tuner boxes to be a host then, then we will know that was the problem. If not then it's either something technical we don't know about or a marketing ploy to sell more 4 tuner units.
     
  3. Mar 9, 2013 #1583 of 1620
    wkearney99

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    Each time you make the customer stop using your device is an opportunity for that other device maker to keep them. It's all about not changing inputs or remotes. Sure, some of us are programmed-remote fanatics, but most of the world isn't, and shouldn't have to be.

    No Netflix on the Mini makes it an absolute non-starter. Dead in the water. Not getting purchased. Such a shame.
     
  4. Mar 9, 2013 #1584 of 1620
    sbiller

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    I'm guessing that TiVo needs Netflix to make some sort of minor update to their software to reliably work on the Mini. We know Hulu Plus works and I suspect the Hulu Plus experience is much improved with the faster processor. Like TiVo, Netflix needs to prioritize its resources writing apps and TiVo is probably way down on the list. If TiVo's MSO partners were licensed to receive Netflix streaming content, I suspect that it would change the priority for Netflix.

    Amazon, OTOH, seems like a good fit for the Mini since we know some of TiVo's MSO-partners are offering Amazon downloads. I know that others feel like Amazon competes directly with their premium VOD offerings so they don't offer it on their TiVo boxes. With that said, we would need a completely new Amazon app to support the Mini. I would imagine that it would not be that difficult for Amazon to write one since, IIRC, they already have an Adobe Air for TV Amazon Streaming app for Samsung Smart TVs.
     
  5. Mar 9, 2013 #1585 of 1620
    magnus

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    If you were going to be missing something... it wouldn't be Netflix... that is for sure. And I really have to say that Amazon Instant is also a must have.
     
  6. Mar 9, 2013 #1586 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    Well The TiVo boxes are some of the few that offer 1080P24 output from Netflix.
     
  7. Mar 9, 2013 #1587 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    They're willing to ignore us because we're not their main sales focus now.
     
  8. Mar 9, 2013 #1588 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    And Netflix doesn't? Seriously, is that what you've heard is the reason why Instant Video wasn't done for the Premieres? That makes no sense.
     
  9. Mar 9, 2013 #1589 of 1620
    compnurd

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    They may have left it out until Netflix speeds up there App.. Alot of people bitched about the new Netflix App and Tivo may have told them to get there **** together before they put it on this box
     
  10. Mar 9, 2013 #1590 of 1620
    sbiller

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    I suspect that Netflix competes with mostly their non-Premium VOD but when it comes to a head-to-head comparison on renting a new release Premium movie like Argo, Netflix doesn't compete. My cable operator can charge $5.99 for Argo while its available in 1080p HD from Amazon for $4.98.
     
  11. Mar 9, 2013 #1591 of 1620
    morac

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    Technically Netflix competes with Comcast's Streampix service, though Netlfix's library is a lot larger and it has exclusives.
     
  12. Mar 9, 2013 #1592 of 1620
    moyekj

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    That's just the thing though. The Mini with updated SOCs is reportedly much faster at running Flash Apps than the series 4 units with tuners, so I was expecting a much faster experience running Netflix on the Mini. All the more reason to be disappointed about it being missing.
     
  13. Mar 9, 2013 #1593 of 1620
    Bigg

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    TiVo is the only cable device that also has Netflix (other than running it through software in MCE). The reality is that most people now use a different device for Netflix than for TV, so switching to another device isn't the end of the world.
     
  14. Mar 9, 2013 #1594 of 1620
    jfh3

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    Except that TiVo wants to be a one box solution so you don't have to change from Input 1.

    Not having the Mini support anything a Premiere can is a significant problem in that regard. I don't care because I don't mind switching to whatever input is needed for a particular service (I have 7 devices connected), but it drives my wife and Joe Sixpack crazy.
     
  15. Mar 9, 2013 #1595 of 1620
    Bigg

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    I suppose they should have them all if they are wanting to become a one-box solution. However, it's also just a matter of time before every TV, even small ones, have Netflix and the like built in. And no matter what, no one can integrate AirPlay, which is one of the biggest game changers in this market, since it's Apple and they don't license much of anything to third parties. And the Apple TV streams Netflix as well.
     
  16. Mar 9, 2013 #1596 of 1620
    Dan203

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    The concept behind AirPlay is great, but I think you're over estimating it's significance. MS has a similar technology for Windows 8 and XBox, and as I mentioned in another thread Samsung has something similar that works with certain apps with their smart TVs. When it comes to that sort of thing people are going to use what's available and works with their particular tablet/phone. No one is going to go out and buy an iPad and an Apple TV just for AirPlay.

    TiVo has a chance to become the "one box" they wanted to be. But they need faster hardware and a better developer program. Sounds like they're moving toward better hardware, so they just need to improve the developer program to entice more developers.
     
  17. Mar 9, 2013 #1597 of 1620
    Bigg

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    The point is, there are already a ton of devices out there, and Apple owns the tablet market, with the exception of a lot of low-value customers on the Kindle Fire series, unlike the smartphone market where it's Apple and Google both as serious players.

    AirPlay just works so well since you have the device to browse for content and then can just send it to the TV.

    Yeah, if they do that, they could become big on the apps side.
     
  18. neo_sapien

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    Why doesn't TiVo launch these things right? Advertise for them, put up whole-home bundles at TiVo.com and amazon.com for pre-order. An actual marketing campaign.
     
  19. aaronwt

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    Because that would make too much sense.
     
  20. jfh3

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    They have a perfect track record of ineffective marketing - why change course now? :D

    I never find anything first from being on any TiVo interested parties list - I usually get those emails a few weeks after I've already purchased the product in question and looks like it will be the same with the Mini since I've ordered three before TiVo even told me there were available for purchase.
     

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