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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Sep 4, 2012 #121 of 1620
    Dan203

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    It's my understanding that it will be able to stream from any TiVo but the initial software release will require the user to have a 4 tuner TiVo on their network and be willing to dedicate a tuner from that TiVo to the Mini for live TV even if they don't watch live TV. The future update you mentioned is suppose to make the live tuner allocation dynamic so that it can be setup with any TiVo and not have to pre-allocate the tuner.

    Although personally I think TiVo should reconsider the 4 tuner requirement. Even if it means the Mini has to lose the ability to watch live TV when setup without one, or has to do like the Stream and start recording the live buffer for it to work. Requiring dedication of a tuner seems silly and unnecessary.

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  2. Sep 4, 2012 #122 of 1620
    compnurd

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    That wasnt the way i understood it. It would be a requirement that a 4 Tuner Tivo on the Network would be required to pass the initial Tuner Lock set up... But the Stream would work as a remote streaming device even if you never set up a tuner
     
  3. Sep 4, 2012 #123 of 1620
    Dan203

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    If that's the case then why would they require a 4 tuner box to be on the network? If there is a way for the Mini to not steal a tuner from the 4 tuner box then why wouldn't you just be able to set it up with 2 tuner box and just skip that step completely?

    Dan
     
  4. Sep 4, 2012 #124 of 1620
    innocentfreak

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    Part of the guided setup for the mini is probably to pair a tuner since it will be at a TV. They probably don't have a way in the software to release the tuner yet.

    I would guess the Stream doesn't go through the same setup since you never use it on a TV. It is probably some type of setup via the app.
     
  5. Sep 4, 2012 #125 of 1620
    zubinh

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    I really would like to order a Premier XL4, a Tivo Stream and two Tivo Minis all at the same time. I wish they would give some color as to what the ETA for the mini is. Frustrating for something that was announced in May.
     
  6. Sep 5, 2012 #126 of 1620
    mahohmei

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    I currently have a two-tuner Premier in the living room with lifetime service. My bedroom TV is currently being driven by a Comcast DTA, and needless to say, I'd be more than happy to have a TiVo mini on that TV. What I'm interested in here are the technical details. I won't say I want to know when there will be a TiVo mini compatible with a two-tuner Premier, since that's something we'd all like to know. *smile*

    Due to physical space constraints and a desire to have the TV mounted flat on the wall without any exposed wiring, I'm going to have to put the TiVo mini in the structured wiring box in the next bedroom.

    Doing this isn't the problem: room-to-room IR kits and 25' HDMI cables abound on the Internet.

    I'd like to know if the TiVo mini is equipped with built-in "remote use" capabilities--namely, an IR input so an IR receiver can be connected directly to the device without having to use an IR active repeater and emitter. This functionality is built into Comcast's DTAs, as those devices are commonly hidden behind TVs.

    Thanks!
     
  7. Sep 5, 2012 #127 of 1620
    chrislemasters

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    Of course, you will likely be able to control it via your network (ala the iOS apps, etc). Then, there is a good chance that it will have a bluetooth option similar to the slider remote (I believe that there was a USB port on the Mini for a dongle). Beyond that, though, I would not expect them to add a new "RF" type technology, or a built-in repeater.

    I wonder if there are any dedicated remotes that could take advantage of the "network" control, while still providing IR control for the TV power and volume, etc? Android-based remotes?
     
  8. Sep 5, 2012 #128 of 1620
    mahohmei

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    - Does the slider remote require _both_ IR and Bluetooth, or can the whole thing work only with Bluetooth?

    - To use a Bluetooth remote with the TiVo mini, I'd first have to see if the Bluetooth can make it from the master bedroom all the way to the structured wiring box. Worst case, it's 30' in a straight line, and I've gotten my Bluetooth phone headset to work that distance. Worst case, I could hide the Bluetooth dongle behind the TV and extend it to the TiVo mini with a USB active extender.

    - I can use (and have used) my Android smartphone (and tablet) as TiVo remotes, but I prefer the hardware remote. The perfect solution would be a wi-fi remote, which, IIRC, Samsung has done on some of their high-end TVs.

    Slightly off-topic, dumb question wrt the TiVo Stream: what functionality does that piece of hardware have that the Premier does not? Could a theoretical software update to a Premier allow it to stream off to Android/iOS devices? Is this just a CPU power issue?
     
  9. Sep 5, 2012 #129 of 1620
    jrtroo

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    I suggest you go into the Stream threads for this last question on functionality of that device. There are quite a few posters that mix up these two boxes already. The two separate active threads on each have been great to keep on topic.

    To date, Tivo has provided software compatibility with iOS devices prior to Android devices. Premiere boxes cannot do what these add-on boxes do - no support in the box for these functions.
     
  10. Sep 5, 2012 #130 of 1620
    innocentfreak

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    The Slide does both, but I think the Qwerty keypad might only work over BT.

    The Premiere doesn't have the CPU power to transcode the streams. It might in a future model, but no a software update wouldn't enable it.
     
  11. Sep 5, 2012 #131 of 1620
    compnurd

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    Just saw Direct TV is coming out with the C31 which is designed to work with it's HR34 RVU system. It is exactly like the mini, requiring a tuner from the HR34, so on and so forth
     
  12. Sep 5, 2012 #132 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    And only $50?
     
  13. Sep 5, 2012 #133 of 1620
    compnurd

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    I didnt see the cost. Problem with Direct TV is, it may be 50 bucks, but it just locked you into a new 2 year contract
     
  14. Sep 6, 2012 #134 of 1620
    farmermac

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    So what's the expected release date on the mini? Might me upgrade to a premiere...
     
  15. Sep 6, 2012 #135 of 1620
    sbiller

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    Fall, 2012. No other details have been posted other than the fact that RCN has a few in their lab so we know the hardware is probably ready.
     
  16. Sep 6, 2012 #136 of 1620
    mahohmei

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    I'm wanting to know if/when the TiVo mini will work with a Premiere two-tuner.
     
  17. Sep 6, 2012 #137 of 1620
    DavidTigerFan

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    I believe I read that yes it will after an update, but it locks one of the tuners so you can't record 2 things at once while using it.
     
  18. Sep 6, 2012 #138 of 1620
    mahohmei

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    I can understand needing one of the tuners to make it available for watching live TV. If the person using the TiVo mini is watching an already-recorded show, will both tuners be available for recording or watching on the TiVo itself?
     
  19. Sep 6, 2012 #139 of 1620
    compnurd

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    That remains to be seen if tuner locking is only used when watching Live TV.

    I suspect we wont know until someone has one to review
     
  20. Sep 6, 2012 #140 of 1620
    lessd

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    How would the device know if your watching live TV, or it would have to work like the TiVo does now, giving you a warning when it was going to change the channel because of an upcoming recordings that take both channels.
     

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