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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    You can call up the remote guide and schedule a recording, I'll have to try the ch up and ch dn buttons to see.
     
  2. wizardman13

    wizardman13 New Member

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    Hello,

    I'm in the same boat as you. I have been waiting for this option for a very long time. I was excited about the "Q" (I was even selected as a Beta for Echo) but that didn't pan out. I'm hoping that Tivo gives some kind of discount for new users.

    Also I see your breakeven point in 35 months 1399.9/39.99=35? Correct??
     
  3. tatergator1

    tatergator1 Active Member

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    You have to account for the fact that he'd have to pay $3.99 for the CC monthly, so the monthly difference is $36.00, not $39.99.

    I would argue it should be 35 months for another reason though. For an apples to apples comparison, the Premiere 4 @ $249.99 is a better equivalent to his current FiOS DVR in terms of hard drive space, and it would essentially be a 2-tuner device at launch if you had two Mini's with allocated Live TV tuners. But I'm just nit-picking. Each person will have their own opinion about what is reasonable for the break-even point.
     
  4. Capital J

    Capital J New Member

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    If TiVo did not require a $3.99 CableCARD in perpetuity, then the B/E would be 35 months. Don't forget you need a CableCARD for TiVo.
     
  5. Capital J

    Capital J New Member

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    This is a fair argument, but I would like a bigger HDD if I am going to upgrade. Also, TiVo does not allow for OnDemand with FiOS. That is worth something. Case in point, I had not seen Homeland until the beginning of February. I subscribed to Showtime for $6/month, watched the full 2 seasons and cancelled my Showtime subscription. Options like that are gone with TiVo. Good show BTW.
     
  6. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure about that? When you bring up the guide for scheduling it's in context of remote host so you can schedule recordings and edit season passes of the remote host. But if you bring up guide or live TV from remote My Shows you get the foreground tuner of your local host, not the remote host. I just double checked before posting this to make sure. I set tuners on my remote host to different channels than my local host and then browsed to remote host My Shows and hit live TV and confirmed I was getting foreground tuner of my local host.
     
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Also what is worth something is the resale value of the TiVos. I've been using TiVos with FiOS since 2007 and I fully expect to sell at least one of my four tuner Premieres if/when a six tuner box is released. The sale of my lifetime four tuner Premiere will probably cover most of the cost of a six tuner Lifetime TiVo.

    Since I've had FiOS I've upgraded Tivos multiple times and gone through at least sixteen TiVos(both S3 and S4 boxes). The sale of my lifetime S3 boxes covered around 80% of the cost of my lifetime, two tuner S4 boxes. And the sale of two of my lifetime two tuner S4 boxes, covered 100% of the cost of my lifetime four tuner S4 boxes.(for each lifetime, four tuner, Premiere I sold two Lifetime, two tuner premieres).

    If I had been using FiOS DVRs since 2007 when I first got FIOS, my out of pocket expenses would have been much, much greater than what I've spent on TiVos during the same time period.

    The Mini will reduce this cost even further. And with a lifetime option on the Mini, it will ensure a nice resale value as well.
     
  8. jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    I need to try this again. Perhaps I seleced an item in the remote host guide and it tuned that channel.
     
  9. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    In this case, I and others posted about it yesterday, just a dozen or so posts back. That is why he was complaining.
     
  10. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    If you have never have interference.
    If you are in range.
    If nothing else is sucking it dry.
    If it is set up properly.

    There are a lot of "ifs" which is why TiVo doesn't want to officially support it. I can't blame them a bit. But yeah, if you cover your ifs, it should work.
     
  11. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    For the 100th time. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT A CABLE CARD IN A TIVO [Premiere].

    Unless you want to connect it to Cable TV. It can be used as a streaming client to another TiVo without a cable card. It can be used OTA (if it has those tuners) without a cable card. It can use Netflix and YouTube and any other network video without a cable card. You can push shows to it with PyTiVo without a cable card.
     
  12. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    This is a thread about the TiVo mini, which requires a 4-tuner TiVo as a host. A 4-tuner TiVo without a CableCard is a useless item for almost everyone, because you can't tune most HD programming without the CableCard. For someone comparing a FIOS DVR to a 4-tuner TiVo, the CableCard is a requirement to get the same channel lineup.

    On my cable system, they only charge $2 for CableCards, so it doesn't really matter in my own comparisons. I still have a loose card that is leftover from a TiVo I sold when I went from two 2-tuners to an Elite. I guess one day I will get around to bringing it back to the cable company and save $2 a month.
     
  13. Bigg

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    Between two devices it's about 70mbps. Even if their Ethernet ports would be able to do 90 on their own.

    If the devices in fact operate separately, then it's not an issue, as the router and ONT will stay on MoCA 2.0, but no, it's not obvious that would be the case, as MoCA is running over a shared channel on a split coax system, as opposed to home-run UTP.

    I usually look at it over a 48 month life, although that's assuming you don't get bitten by the upgrade bug first!

    TiVo is really a unique product, and I don't think they're trying to be price competitive, although at the rate the price hikes are going with the MSOs, they are actually becoming somewhat price competitive. I'm not sure where we're headed with all these box fees, adding $40 or more every month to the bill for boxes is just absurdity, and there's no cost-effective way around it (having a whole-home distributed A/V system is not at all cost-effective). MCE is really the only thing that is pretty cost-effective, but it's a half-baked DIY system. The days of analog cable with a bunch of splitters are gone, that's for sure.

    For the CableCards, you actually get a credit back compared to the base price of the plan if you only have one CableCard for the whole house, and none of their boxes.
     
  14. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yeah, because the 4 tuner model has no OTA.

    I agree with what you are saying, but the thread has ALSO been about comparing using a TiVo for a client to using a Mini as a client. Both can be used as clients without needing cable cards in either...
     
  15. Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

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    I'm hoping for an upgrade offer from a Premiere or TiVoHD to a four tuner Premiere, I would really think about selling a lifetimed TiVo or 2 and going stream (android)and mini's instead.
     
  16. bearcat2000

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    I apologize if this has been already asked, but does the mini then come with a new ir remote? And does it have Bluetooth built in so we could use a slider?
     
  17. sbiller

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    I believe it comes with a standard TiVo basic peanut remote. The Mini has a USB port so it will probably work with the Slide remote. Rumor has it that new remotes will be announced this year. I think an earlier post acknowledges that there will be a way to extend the IR for the Mini so it can be mounted behind a flat screen TV.
     
  18. zubinh

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    Not having a built in Moca bridge is a disappointment. That's one more device to pay for and add clutter. But I'll pay Tivo the $250 cause it beats paying VZ $6/mo forever.
     
  19. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    Just to clarify... The Mini thin client does support MoCA internally. It won't bridge a MoCA connection to feed ethernet to other devices that are co-located with the Mini.
     
  20. zubinh

    zubinh Member

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    I gotcha Sbiller. I have a PS3 in an upstairs bedroom away from the router that I was hoping to pair with the Mini. Now I gotta go buy another $75 device
     

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