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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.
I found one of the Belkin meters.
Screensaver is definitely more likely to be used than standby. Until dynamic tuner sharing gets figured out, I'm leaving one mini in full standby to free up the 3rd tuner on the Q.
Is it not possible to have two Minis and only a single tuner dedicated from the Q for the two of them to share?
Can you fool the system into only setting up one tuner allocation with multiple Minis?
I don't understand this. Since tuner allocation is not dynamic and you control it on the Q it doesn't matter if Mini is active, in standby, unplugged, whatever right? i.e. Once you allocate 2 tuners from the Q for Minis those tuners are not available for recording no matter what you do with the Minis. That's my understanding of it.
Ah, interesting. It's definitely aggressive but thanks for showing the math. If there weren't fees tied to the Mini I'd be more optimistic. Not that it'll do poorly, in fact I think it'll be highly desirable once the early kinks are worked out. But I think they'd have to sell it aggressively by absorbing most or all of the service fee in a bundle deal to push that kind of potential. I hope they do.
I think he's saying that he's sharing that one dedicated tuner between his 2 Mini's.
OK, but still not necessary to put 1 Mini in Standy mode. Just leaving the Mini on anything else but live TV should suffice (and it will go into screensaver mode). Unless the issue is that if the Mini is in any mode other than standby it will insist on consuming a tuner no matter what. But I don't think so since allocating 0 tuners from the Q is a valid setting which means Mini doesn't require a tuner to operate.
That is possible? So if someone is using Mini 1 for live tv, then Mini 2 cannot view live tv (but can view recorded content, streaming, etc)?
That is my understanding.
Okay. So up to 2 Minis can be connected to a 4 tuner Premiere. They can share 1 live tuner between them or they can have zero live tuners (view recorded only) or they can have 2 live tuners dedicated.
Is a dedicated tuner really gone permanently from the 4 tuner box? Or is it in the pool that Minis can share?
I believe the dedicated tuner is gone for purposes of recording (not permanently - you can change the setting). And it is in the pool that Minis can share for purposes of live TV.
Not sure that a 4 tuner Premiere is really limited to just up to 2 Minis. Haven't heard that before.
until this recent spat of confusing posts my assumption was this:
if 0 tuners allocated to the pool then no mini can access live tv... if 1 tuner allocated to the pool then only one mini can access live tv at any given time, if 2 tuners allocated then two minis can access live tv at any given time. Any tuners allocated to the pool are not available for recording regardless of what state any networked mini may be in. You can have any number of minis connected (but only 2 maximum can stream live tv).
I think you're correct on most if not all counts. However, I think what the recent chain of posts was addressing was the fact that if you allocate 1 tuner to Minis for live TV, multiple Minis can use that tuner (just not at the same time).
And I don't think that "any number" of Minis can be connected, but I think that the number is greater than 2.
I'm beginning to think my hope for a Mini/Premiere bundle discount is wishful thinking. Has anyone noticed the whole home "bundles" that Tivo is currently advertising?
Notice that the "bundled" pricing is just a sum of the individual prices with no discount whatsoever? Do they periodically run bundles that are actually discounted?
I saw this pop-up on my Series 2DT last night, but I couldn't glean much info from what was shown there. I had a similar concern with Tivo, all of the sudden, packaging "Whole Home" bundles without the Mini did not bode well for a near-term Mini launch.
I think this post from Spotterman demonstrates the answer to your question(s) or at least some of the question.
I was probably a bit optimistic about the "any number"... it will be limited by the number of streams (live and pre-recorded) that the host tivo is willing/able to distribute (to minis and/or other premieres) at any given time.
How many of the 30,000 were 4 tuner jobs ??
TiVo doesn't disclose the mix of Premiere SKUs. TiVo did disclose that the mix of 4-tuners versus 2-tuners improved resulting in less hardware subsidy for the quarter. Going forward especially with a retail Mini, I expect that at least 50% of the boxes sold at retail with be 4-tuner boxes -- hence my 15,000 / qtr estimate.
Fine, give me the box for free when I buy a $200 lifetime sub. Problem solved. Dumbest accounting ever, but that's what this sort of thing is worth, it doesn't really matter what the breakdown is. Just like TiVo Premieres are really $650-$900, even though they have this sort of fake cost breakdown that's irrelevant, as you have to buy both in order to use the thing.
Yes, that's true, I have been around for a while. However, it makes no sense to have fees for individual minis, except maybe in the sense that the cable company does the same thing and TiVo is better (so they would have to equal or meet the $0 up-front, $10/mo fee structure that cable cos use). However, from a consumer electronics perspective, the fees are for the service. The Mini doesn't have service, as it's basically just a thin client for a Premiere 4 or XL4 that already has service.
A TV is irrelevant for pay TV, as all they can do is ATSC-8VSB or Clear QAM. Analog NTSC doesn't exist anymore (except in a few backwater small cable companies that are still living in the past), and U-Verse and Satellite don't use QAM at all, so it's all about boxes. Those boxes can attach to about anything. That, and TV LCD panels are the same ones they are using on monitors, they just throw slightly different ports and plastic cases on them.
Why would that be subsidized? It should be $99 at a profit. If they charge more, good for them for making money, and being in line with MCE extenders ($180-$200ish), but there is no reason they would be losing money on a box that is little more than a Roku or Apple TV with different software on it, and a slightly different port configuration.
How can they? What they would probably do is limit XoD to one tuner on the Premiere at a time, even if multiple tuners were available. Actually, I doubt the software on the Premiere is even set up to control more than one XoD stream anyways.
Although they were rare, some people had done setups with SageTV with cable boxes that were component re-captured, which would support running XoD as "live TV" or you could even extrapolate this out to whole-house HDMI matrix systems that can move XoD streams around from one box... the key is that you only get one XoD stream per box fee, so they will likely do the same for the Premieres and Minis... it will probably be FCFS.