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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    I agree. In fact I'd say $149 is more likely, with a lifetime cost of $200-$250 putting the total cost of the box at $400 or so.

    The frustrating thing for me is that, while I have no problem affording this box financially, I have a problem rewarding what I see as bad/moronic behavior on TiVos part.

    I think my Slingbox and Slingcatcher are going to get use for quite a while longer. Amazingly my Slingcatcher does not have a monthly or lifetime service fee and lets me do almost everything the TiVo Mini does.
     
  2. sbiller

    sbiller Active Member

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    Excellent point and you're probably right but the Stream doesn't have a subscription fee associated with it. Perhaps will see them drop the price of the Stream to $99 upon launch of the Mini.
     
  3. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yep, I have said that several different ways in the thread already. Some people might be replacing a cable box or other machine. But many people (like myself) would just be adding new functionality. So 1-3 don't apply at all. I don't think I can justify $300 TCO for a device I would use occasionally to watch something in the bedroom or exercise room (especially since right now I use RF and IR extender back to the TiVo in the great room.
     
  4. jmpage2

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    How exactly is Comcast going to do that? The Mini can be connected via ethernet, etc, and is using services on the Main TiVo. It's hard for me to see how Comcast could charge a service fee for the Mini when they don't charge them for any of the other devices (iPads, laptops, etc) that have access to On Demand.

    That idea is dead on arrival.
     
  5. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    Yep, unless the Mini gets apps like Netflix or Amazon then I would say that your current setup is as good as the Mini.
     
  6. sbiller

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    I hope you're right but I could see Comcast trying to figure out a way to prevent the Mini from receiving XFINITY On Demand without the AO fee. Since XFINITY is sent via QAM to the host DVR and routed to the Mini you are correct that it should be difficult for them to justify the fee. I still think Comcast and others view extenders connected to TVs differently from 2nd screen apps that support streaming of video.
     
  7. Test

    Test Active Member

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    How can Comcast charge for something they shouldn't? Apparently with subscription/monthly fees there are no rules. TiVo will be doing a similar thing if they charge a monthly fee to let the TiVo mini run while all it does is suck data from a box you already paid a sub for.
     
  8. lessd

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    My Triple play from Comcast comes with one HD cable box, it may not be free but if I turn it in I don't save any money, so to me it is free, with the package I have, for my cable cards, for some reason, Comcast does not charge me any AO fee, the bill at one time had a line for the A/O fee that was $0, now the bill does not even have a line for the A/O fee. I do have 4 CC and just pay for the cards ($1.15/month/per card)
     
  9. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    Well, it's not as good because there are a lot of input delays with the SlingCatcher and the video is a little over-compressed. If the Mini was priced sensibly ($149-$199 with no subscription fee) I would buy 2-3 of them.

    This is just bad behavior on TiVos part and I don't think I can be a part of it.
     
  10. jrtroo

    jrtroo User

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    You are one lucky user. At some point, my guess is that they will find this and restructure your pricing. Hopefully for you, that is no time soon.
     
  11. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Sounds good then. I will be getting at least one Mini with the monthly service.
     
  12. innocentfreak

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    They could call it a service fee.

    http://stopthecap.com/2013/02/21/comcast-calls-1-99-charge-for-digital-adapters-a-service-fee-to-avoid-fcc-complications/
     
  13. davezatz

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    Cool, what did you ultimately use to measure it? I assume live TV, recorded TV, and screen saver would be the common modes. Doubt standby will see much use.
     
  14. overFEDEXed

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    I recently downgraded my Cox Cable Sub, from an $80 a month plan, to the $35 Economy plan. That includes channels 2-99, thirty-two, four-digit, HD channels and Music channels.

    They were charging me $2 for cable cards x 3, plus the Digital Gateway fee or Advanced Tv fee, one at $5, the other two at $4. That comes to $19 a month, just for the fees.

    When I called up to switch plans, the csr said the the $35 INCLUDED all the Card fees.
    Anyway, I got my bill yesterday, for the month. It was $27, for the Economy plan and $6 for the cable cards. No Advanced tv fees! That was it! Now I did lose some channels, as I explained earlier in this thread, but this has me rethinking the Mini.

    I still would like to have a couple, but like most everyone else, I will wait and see what the pricing will be.
     
  15. HazelW

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    I currently have a TiVo Elite with lifetime and a TiVo HD that I pay tivo $6.95 a month. So I have 6 tuners and I can watch stuff from either TiVo on the other one (except for premium programs.) So why would I get a mini for $6 a month and cut my total number of tuners to 3?
     
  16. atmuscarella

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    Unless you are just dying to remove a single cable card fee I would see no reason at all.

    And that is the point, I do not believe TiVo will be trying to sell Minis for the sake of selling Minis. I also believe TiVo has no desire to have users replace existing TiVo DVRs with Minis either.

    Again in my opinion the purpose of the Mini is 2 fold:
    1. To provide TiVo's cable company partners with a competitive whole home system to lease to their customers.
    2. To help sell new 4 (6?) tuner stand alone TiVo DVRs most likely by providing package deals.
    But until we see how the Mini is actually priced and marketed everything is just speculation.
     
  17. compnurd

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    Or people like me who are newer and would rather pay 6 bucks for a kids TV ALA mini, then 14 bucks a month for a full fledged premiere
     
  18. atmuscarella

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    The situations like HazelW's where people might consider replacing an existing TiVo DVR on subscription with a Mini, yours where people would not buy another TiVo DVR anyways, or the worst one where someone would have bought another Premiere but instead buy's a Mini are exactly why I think the Mini will be priced fairly high.

    In all of those cases TiVo gains nothing unless they make it on the Mini's sale and subscription and in two of them actually lose money on other transactions that has to be made from the Mini's sale.

    The only situation where the Mini can be sold with little or no profit is when it causes the sale of a new DVRs that wouldn't have happened without the Mini being available.
     
  19. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Active Member

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    In my case the Mini will result in an upgrade. My mom has my two old TiVo HDs so she will get my Elite and a mini. I will end up buying whatever replaces the XL4 which from what we know is usually less of a subsidized model.

    Until the Mini though she is content with the TiVo HDs, and I will upgrade when we have a XL4 replacement.
     
  20. Loach

    Loach New Member

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    That's sort of the situation I'm in. I've just recently dipped my toe in the Tivo waters with my purchase of a Premiere 4. But my ideal whole-home solution is probably to add a 2nd Premiere and 1 or 2 Minis. I'm hoping to see some decent bundle deals.
     

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