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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Feb 21, 2013 #981 of 1620
    Bigg

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    But where would you offload that? Or saturate two and a half endpoint adapters with a gig source hardwired to the router?

    Yeah, the backbone ends up serving a similar function to the backplane on an Ethernet switch in that case... 240mbps gives it a lot of breathing room even with a bunch of devices flinging HD video around plus internet...

    We're coming a long way in getting networking for people who don't have CAT-5 run everywhere up to the level that hard wired CAT-5 would give. Of course 240mbps on a backbone is a long way off from 1gbps to any port, BUT for most residential users, it is more than enough.
     
  2. Feb 21, 2013 #982 of 1620
    compnurd

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    Dont forget, with the exception of the 4 and the XL4, the rest of the line up only had a 100Mbit ethernet port.... so no matter what you are limited to that....
     
  3. Feb 21, 2013 #983 of 1620
    davezatz

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    I sent them (and CED Magazine) a polite note and they appropriately added a photo credit. You'd be surprised how often this happens. (Or maybe not.) Google's got a decent DMCA tool which you can use to request a de-indexing the offending page, which I've been forced to employ on several occasions (normally in relation to posts reproduced in their entirety) - but this is a better scenario and outcome, as it's win/win. They learn something about grabbing content without attribution and retain a decent, representative pic, and I get a little link love. Symbiotic is best.
     
  4. Feb 21, 2013 #984 of 1620
    Bigg

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    I was thinking more in general than just for TiVo. Some people are using MoCA as a backbone for their whole network...
     
  5. Feb 21, 2013 #985 of 1620
    jmpage2

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    I suppose that for someone who did not want to spend the money to back-haul CAT5e that might be true.... CAT5e and gigabit switches are cheap though, and UTP cable is pretty easy to run to most locations.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2013 #986 of 1620
    Arcady

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    I'm using MoCA for a main link within my house, because running cat5 is impossible. I suppose ethernet would be faster, but this is an upgrade from the Wi-Fi repeaters we had in place beforehand. It also allowed me to remove at least 10 devices from Wi-Fi, which improved wireless for the laptops and phones that still rely on it.

    I only run 100Mb ethernet anyway, so there's no loss there.
     
  7. Feb 21, 2013 #987 of 1620
    Ckought

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    Not if you rent. You have to live with the wiring you have available.
     
  8. Feb 22, 2013 #988 of 1620
    compnurd

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    exactly. i am renting a condo right now while my house is built so MOCA is my only option and has caused no slow downs
     
  9. Feb 22, 2013 #989 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    Do you have a power measuring device? I'm curious what electricity the Mini consumes on standby and during active use. If it is less than a Premiere or HD then adopters can see additional savings on the electric bill.
     
  10. Feb 22, 2013 #990 of 1620
    davezatz

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    I may have a Kill-A-Watt somewhere if spotterman wants to try. Can't recall if I already gave it away though. Will check tonight if need be.
     
  11. Feb 22, 2013 #991 of 1620
    jamesjones_det

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    I measured my Premier 4 with a Kill-A-Watt meter at about ~18 watts with the TV off and ~22 with the TV on (it bounced around a bit those were the averages).

    I would image the mini would use less then that, but I was surprised to see the PS3 pulling ~10 watts when in standby too so...
     
  12. Feb 22, 2013 #992 of 1620
    spotterman26

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    No, I don't have one. I'd be glad to check it out of somebody can get one to me.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2013 #993 of 1620
    tbielowicz

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    So now we just have to wait for this to come to retail. Seems like late March or early April (hopefully).

    Now the question is the pricing model.

    Tivo Mini cost - ??

    Will there be an additional service charge or will it be baked into the Tivo Mini? If not:

    Monthly Service - ??
    Lifetime Service - ??

    Tivo can really screw this one up if they price it incorrectly. I personally would rather pay $199 for the mini including lifetime service. This is a fair price IMO.

    Plus it would allow them to capture the greatest revenue. If they price it higher, their volume would be significantly lower and not lock in current Tivo owners. They would also see a nice bump in sales from those with previous gen models that have been on the fence. This could be a game changer for them...Especially if they make this compelling enough to keep others from going with Dish or At&t which already offer whole house DVR services.
     
  14. Feb 22, 2013 #994 of 1620
    Dan203

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    We don't yet know the exact prices but we do know that there will be a service charge. We assume they will offer both a monthly and lifetime option.

    Based current pricing schemes I'm betting the Mini will be more like $250-$300 with lifetime service. Or $100-$150 + $6/mo for monthly. But that's just a wild guess. We wont know for sure until they say something, or someone leaks the info.
     
  15. Feb 22, 2013 #995 of 1620
    Time_Lord

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    If you guess is right I think it may be a tough sell, why?

    Right now its going to require a 4 tuner unit which costs more than the 2 tuner unit, plus its used availability is limited so you're at full cost of $200 to $250 (or more for the XL) based on promotions. Which is $100 more than the 2 tuner unit.

    Next I can purchase a second unit (Premiere) which gives me all the capabilities of the mini WITHOUT giving up a tuner for $150, or $100 for a factory refurbished one. Next I need service on the second unit (first is a given so I'm not including its price) a second unit costs $400 for lifetime so total cost is between $500 and $550 if its refurbished or new.

    Further used units with lifetime service are selling at roughly $450.

    So if I went for 2 Premieres (not 4 tuner units) my cost would be (excluding lifetime service on the first unit which service is required regardless)

    $300 - 2 new units
    $400 - lifetime on the second unit
    $700 - total (knock $100 off the total for 2 factory referbished units)

    Mini -
    $250 - Premiere 4
    $250 - $300 Mini (est)
    $500 - $550 total


    so the savings at worst is $200 and at best $100 plus the loss of a tuner. Ok yes you save 1 cablecard rental, for me that's $4 per month ($48 per year)

    So for the $100 I'd buy a second unit.

    Then again we can all hope the FCC gets everybody motivated for steaming compatibility between different vendors and I'll just keep VZ's STB for $6 per month
     
  16. Feb 22, 2013 #996 of 1620
    crxssi

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    aaronwt

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    Or ten :)

    I have several of the Kill-a-watt meters but then I started using the Belkin ones

    Belkin - Conserve Insight Energy Use Monitor

    (I got a bunch of them when BestBuy had a super low sale price)

    which have the display attached to a several foot long cord. So it's not as much of a pain to read the display to see how much power is being used. It's amazing how much power some devices use while in standby.
     
  18. Feb 22, 2013 #998 of 1620
    Bigg

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    Exactly.

    That's pretty good for a Premiere, considering it has (highly optimized) all the components of a PC.
     
  19. Feb 22, 2013 #999 of 1620
    spotterman26

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    I'll check around, couldn't find the Kill a Watt local, might have better luck with the Belkin.
     
  20. jmatero

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    Sorry but if the mini is more than $149 and/or has a subscription, I'll pass.
     

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