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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Aug 26, 2012 #81 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Agreed, in their case it is far more likely the video is H.264, which would be less than half the bandwidth.
     
  2. Aug 26, 2012 #82 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    Even MPEG2 is going to be no more than 19Mb/s. Any properly setup wireless N network will have zero issues streaming such a low bit rate. Of course the caveat is that it needs to be properly setup, and most are not.
     
  3. Aug 26, 2012 #83 of 1620
    Dan203

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    At launch it's going to require you to dedicate a tuner from your XL4 to it, essentially turning your XL4 into a 3 tuner TiVo. Is that OK with you?

    Personally I don't think many buyers are going to wan to sacrifice a recording tuner just so they have the option to watch Live TV in the other room. And this is why TiVo is limiting it to 4 tuner units, because with a 2 tuner unit it would have to become a 1 tuner unit and no one would go for that.

    I'm not really interested in this until they get dynamic tuner allocation working. For now I'll keep my Premiere in the other room for streaming.

    Dan
     
  4. Aug 26, 2012 #84 of 1620
    dianebrat

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    abSOlutely! I have no qualms at all sacrificing a tuner for this, the XL4 being a 3 tuner device will be fine by me.
     
  5. Aug 26, 2012 #85 of 1620
    Dan203

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    I think you're the exception.

    Dan
     
  6. Aug 26, 2012 #86 of 1620
    compnurd

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    I am not. I have no issues giving up a tuner to put one of these in a kids room.

    If there is no monthly fee with this and no cable card, it is perfect
     
  7. Aug 26, 2012 #87 of 1620
    sbiller

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    I just went back and re-read these very informative posts from MegaZone on the Mini.

    http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/05/23/more-information-on-the-tivo-stream-and-ip-stb/

    http://www.gizmolovers.com/2012/05/22/tivo-stream-and-ip-stb-coming-to-msos-and-retail-this-year/

    It is worthwhile reading the Comments as well.

    You will have the option of giving up zero, one, or two tuners on your Elite/XL4/Premiere 4 during setup. Those tuners will form a "pool" of live tuners for the Mini IP STB's on the network.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2012 #88 of 1620
    crxssi

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    Exactly. With the operative words going "properly setup". But even the best of intentions can be foiled by bad interference or poorly designed equipment.

    And not all wireless networks are "N" (none of mine at home or work are). "G" is about 22Mb/s under ideal conditions, which is pushing it for the highest of MPEG2 streams (usually OTA, since cable/satellite streams are often MUCH lower quality). "B" network? Forget it!
     
  9. Aug 26, 2012 #89 of 1620
    moyekj

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    So given that allocating zero tuners under "Allow Live TV on Other Devices" is an option it's even sillier to require 4-tuner unit as host during Mini setup.
    I think Mini should default to not having Live TV unless you configure to allow it - and the Mini can show a screen explaining how to do it when no tuners are allocated for that function. Under that setup then even if TiVo still requires 4-tuner units only for Live TV functionality that will still satisfy a lot more people.
     
  10. Aug 26, 2012 #90 of 1620
    dianebrat

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    dude.. story of my life! :D
    But I'm rarely the exception in a way that makes a device manufacture target me with a product.

    I do think if you take the TCF folks out of the equation, the majority of more pedestrian XL4 users will rarely if ever need 4 tuners running at the same time.
     
  11. Aug 26, 2012 #91 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    I have no problem with it. The TiVo mini will allow me to move the Premiere I have in the bedroom back into the living. It will then become an OTA only TiVo and I will use it to bring content with me to my GFs house. The Mini will go into my bedroom and I will save $3.99 in cable card fees. I have no issue giving up one of the tuners from my Elites. Now if I only had one Elite that might be a different story.

    As long as the mini has a low monthly charge of say under $5 and a low price of say under $99 or an initial price of under $200 with no monthly price. I think I will be pleased with it.
     
  12. Aug 26, 2012 #92 of 1620
    sbiller

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    That is a great suggestion. It makes me wonder if this decision is an attempt to drive early adopters to upgrade to the XL4/4. The Mini is optimized for MSOs delivering 4 or 6 tuner gateway devices like the Q or Pace XG1 (6 tuner).
     
  13. Aug 27, 2012 #93 of 1620
    jcthorne

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    Tivo has stated otherwise. At least until some 'future' update is available.
     
  14. Aug 27, 2012 #94 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    It makes no sense that the Mini will not be able to stream from any available Tivo S4, but I guess we will have to wait and see what they ship, software-wise. The only restriction should be on live tuner allocation (zero or one, as linked above), at least until they catch up to every other whole-home DVR solution. :rolleyes:

    So if they can stream from any Tivo S4, they are not 'useless' for OTA.
     
  15. Aug 27, 2012 #95 of 1620
    moyekj

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    Read megazone's article:

    Specifically:
     
  16. Aug 27, 2012 #96 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    More support for my point: it is confusing. Tivo needs to get back to making things easier and less confusing.
     
  17. Aug 27, 2012 #97 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    People on this board are dedicated Tivo users that spend time to understand the differences and capabilities of Tivo products. Do you really think the average customer will take the time to decipher what streams to what and the limitations of the products? I do not. Tivo needs to simplify.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2012 #98 of 1620
    jrtroo

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    I disagree. Its confusing to US because people are speculating on what it may or may not do, how much it will cost, how it may be upgradable, and how it compares to the cableco units.

    Upon release, we will have a TIVO (of different flavors), an extender to possibly avoid a second Tivo, and a streamer to send to a remote device.

    It will be much easier to market the reality of these three products than to wrangle in the imagination of those who like to speculate as to functionality, cost, ect.
     
  19. Aug 27, 2012 #99 of 1620
    markp99

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    This will work for us in our bedroom scenario. I think the instances where that 4th tuner is actually actually capturing programming I asked for (non-suggestions) is quite low.

    Waiting to see pricing/subscription(?) info. I also have an idle S3 that could act in this role. The tiny/wall mountable mini unit is appealing vs having to find location for the S3 unit in our bedroom.
     
  20. Aug 27, 2012 #100 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    I disagree.
     

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