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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Feb 20, 2013 #961 of 1620
    P42

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    Discontinued? Wow that was quick!
     
  2. Feb 20, 2013 #962 of 1620
    Bigg

    Bigg On the fence to being a cord-cutter.

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    The bandwidth used for 24/7 live TV wouldn't be an issue for cable users who are only using MoCA for TiVos. HOWEVER, for FIOS users, for cable users who have built a MoCA backbone, this could be a serious issue. Realistically, even in a well-wired home, MoCA has about 75mbps of bandwidth. FIOS TV channels, since they are not re-compressed like cable, use upwards of the full 19mbps of bandwidth.

    So, you do a couple of TiVo Mini streams, and you're already eating way into the 75mbps bandwidth available on FIOS internet, especially if you're using MoCA to get the FIOS signal into the house. If you have a pair of Premieres each with three TiVo Minis, and a whole backbone built out of MoCA, you could be in for some serious bandwidth issues already. Yes, that's an extreme case, but my point is, unlike GigE, MoCA doesn't just have effectively unlimited bandwidth, and while it's reliable and fast, you can fairly easily run out.

    More tech-saavy users would run CAT-5 from the ONT to the router, or they would throw a band-pass filter in between two segments of the MoCA network to isolate them and then cross them back over through Ethernet, but not everyone would know to do that, or have the right wiring configuration to be able to do that.
     
  3. Feb 20, 2013 #963 of 1620
    compnurd

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    My MOCA speeds are about 240Mbps up and down. I have 3 Tivos on Moca and 2 computers on Moca and have no speed issues with all of them pulling data... and also TV runs on a different frequency that Moca both with verizon and most companies.


    My TV here runs at about 860mhz and my Moca Network Operates just above 1Gig.
     
  4. Feb 20, 2013 #964 of 1620
    spotterman26

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    Hand over the front of the Mini, it still recognizes remote commands.
     
  5. Feb 20, 2013 #965 of 1620
    Austin Bike

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    When I was in japan last, they had tons of TVs with 1tb hard drives in them
     
  6. Feb 20, 2013 #966 of 1620
    morac

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    In Japan, toilets have hard drives in them. :p
     
  7. Feb 20, 2013 #967 of 1620
    spotterman26

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    Just got around to trying this. I set the Q to "Allow 1 tuner" and checked both Minis first. They were both connected. I put one in standby, and selected Live TV on the other. Live tv worked, just fine, so I went to the other mini and hit live tv and got this message:

    [​IMG]

    The Mini that shows this message can access my Q, but not access Live TV. The other Mini gets Live TV and can access my Q also. And now my Q has it's 3rd tuner back.

    Here is the standby option on the menu:
    [​IMG]
    Here is the standby image, this goes away after a few seconds:
    [​IMG]
    And the front of the Mini when in standby mode:
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Feb 20, 2013 #968 of 1620
    sbiller

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    Not bad... I could easily live with this solution.
     
  9. Feb 20, 2013 #969 of 1620
    Bigg

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    Right, most cable operators stop at 860, including Comcast and Verizon FIOS, and MoCA will work with plants up to 1ghz. I never said anything that would suggest MoCA and cable interfere with each other. That's the whole point of MoCA, is that it doesn't, so you can lay MoCA on top of an existing cable system.

    Iinteresting. They slipped out a new version of MoCA that is much faster. I can't find any reviews of it or good tests. How has anyone determined that they can do 240mbps, with the MoCA adapters themselves maxing out with Base-100TX? Were they crossing multiple traffic paths on a single coax system? I did see the Amazon reviewers were cable to saturate the Base-100TX, which is a good sign. With all that, Verizon FIOS users should have no issue with 75mbps of bandwidth coming in, and a few HD video streams flying around the house.
     
  10. Feb 21, 2013 #970 of 1620
    NotNowChief

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    OK, sooooooo now this is just getting absolutely ridiculous.

    Why are they not selling this thing for retail yet?

    What's the excuse now? Delayed again until summer 2013?
     
  11. Feb 21, 2013 #971 of 1620
    sbiller

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    They probably want to gauge Suddenlink problems before opening the floodgates. We're hopefully weeks away...
     
  12. Feb 21, 2013 #972 of 1620
    DigitalDawn

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    Definitely in March. I recently received a notice for a TiVo retail training session. Mine is set for Tuesday.
     
  13. Feb 21, 2013 #973 of 1620
    compnurd

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    The newer Verizon routers for over the last year have a Gig Switch built in....

    Even Still your bandwidth is point to point/router, not saturated by everything else.
     
  14. Feb 21, 2013 #974 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    Even with Verizon MoCA you can get speeds faster than 75Mb/s. When you have two or three or four MoCA devices in the Network, the maximum speeds are actually faster than with only one MoCA device. But most of the MoCA adapters only have 100BT connections so the backbone bandwidth will exceed 100Mb/s but the actual connection to the device will not exceed it. I had a couple of Dlink MoCA adapters along with the FiOS MoCA in use for a short while when I was messing around with MoCA on my Elites. The backbone bandwidth easily exceeded 100Mb/s. But it did not exceed it to the point that I would get speeds from all those devices on MoCA that I would match the speeds I got with a GigE Backbone(when the devices were transferring concurrently). So I took those devices off MoCA and went back to Ethernet connections for those devices.
     
  15. Feb 21, 2013 #975 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    Hmmm.... agreed. This is a half-way point between truly dynamic tuner allocation and permanent tuner allocation.


    Now lets release this puppy to the general public.
     
  16. Feb 21, 2013 #976 of 1620
    NotNowChief

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    Nobody can half-bake something quite like TiVo!
     
  17. Feb 21, 2013 #977 of 1620
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Megazone's original reporting mentioned that Minis would share from a pool of tuners, so it's not surprising. Knowing this, I had thought we wouldn't be limited to 2 Minis, but I guess we still will be anyway. At least for now (XL6).
     
  18. Feb 21, 2013 #978 of 1620
    h2oskierc

    h2oskierc I'm a 2-Tuner

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    Exactly, like not supporting us lowly two-tuner DVR owners...
     
  19. Feb 21, 2013 #979 of 1620
    lew2

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    You ought to contact their General Counsel with and inquire how they intend to compensate you for Copyright Violation.

    They wouldn't be happy if someone stole cable service from them, so it's hypocritical that they'll steal your intellectual property and likeness with no compunction.
     
  20. Feb 21, 2013 #980 of 1620
    jjd_87

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    This is the same awful cable company that shuts your Internet off for torrenting tv programs. I hate them. But I love TiVo. Common mini!!!
     

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