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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Feb 17, 2013 #881 of 1620
    jcthorne

    jcthorne Active Member

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    Just install a small 2 tuner tivo at the bedroom tv. Problem solved. Yes its just a bit more expensive than a mini but not as much as most folks think. In the end only about $150 more for a full function tivo over the mini which has alot less features.
     
  2. Feb 17, 2013 #882 of 1620
    sbiller

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    If the Mini is a lot faster than the Premiere because of a faster internal processor, than it could be a better alternative for a bedroom TV... no need for a Roku, etc. That statement, of course, makes the assumption that Netflix, Amazon, and other services will be made available on the Mini. I wouldn't hesitate to pick the Mini over a 2-tuner Premiere if it rendered the HDUI at 2x the speed. This would result in a better user experience. Of course, there will be some compromises with the Mini that need to be accounted for including the loss of tuner on the gateway DVR.

    For me, the simplicity of only needing to manage recordings on one DVR is another benefit. I will likely move to a 6-tuner box when its available especially if it comes with a faster user experience.
     
  3. Feb 17, 2013 #883 of 1620
    jadziedzic

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    Unless you live in Comcast land where you have to pay about $8/month - forever - for an "additional digital outlet fee" for the TiVo with a CableCARD at that bedroom TV. A $200 mini would pay for itself in about two years, and saves $100 per year afterward compared to a TiVo unit with a CableCARD.

    Not really "just a bit more expensive", especially if you have more than one secondary digital outlet.
     
  4. Feb 17, 2013 #884 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    And it would have no hard drive to fail. And it would be physically a lot smaller. Might also be quieter with no fan. Plus it is cheaper.

    Too bad it is unnecessarily incompatible with probably 95% of the installed TiVo userbase.
     
  5. Feb 17, 2013 #885 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I have said this seemingly a dozen times. But I guess I have to say it again...

    Unless you give a damn about "live" TV, which probably the vast majority of TiVo users don't, then there is no need for a cable card or connection to cable for a remote viewing/streaming device. Even if it is just a regular TiVo. So you can't necessarily make a cost comparison that way.
     
  6. Feb 17, 2013 #886 of 1620
    davezatz

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    I probably watch more "live" and OTT TV content, than DVR-ed video. Am I the exception or the rule? (And, of course, TiVo wants to sell the solution to more than just existing TiVo retail customers - which is a generally diminishing number.)
     
  7. Feb 17, 2013 #887 of 1620
    sbiller

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    I personally watch quite a bit of live TV -- mostly news and sports.

    Regarding your diminishing numbers, IF TiVo reported Premiere users on a quarterly basis, I believe that number is growing. They continue to bleed series 2 and series 3 subscribers at a higher rate.

    Here is a quote from Tom Rogers at the Nov 29, 2012 JP Morgan conference,

     
  8. Feb 17, 2013 #888 of 1620
    overFEDEXed

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    I just switched to a Cox Cable, Economy package. http://ww2.cox.com/residential/middlegeorgia/tv/tv-economy/channel-listings.cox With Spring just around the corner, we really don't need that many channels so...

    I was paying $83 a month, including cards and Gateway fees, for three Tivos. Now, I'm paying $35 for around 60 channels.
    This is the strange part, that $35 includes the three cable cards and Gateway fees. (If the rep gave me the correct info, which i doubt) Those fees were around $14. ($6 for three cards and $8 for two gateways)

    I wanted the mini's, so that I could get rid of two cable cards and gateway fees. Now, if this will be my true cost, when I get my bill, I will have to rethink my Tivo mini strategy.

    I am losing a few channels, that I kind of liked, but nothing critical.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2013 #889 of 1620
    RichB

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    That would be nice.
    The TiVo Stream is small yet sounds like a toy helicopter ;)

    - Rich
     
  10. Feb 17, 2013 #890 of 1620
    RichB

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    I can't understand this.
    After all, we raise the lifetime price provide less whole house features and they still fail to flock to our solution. ;)

    My brother wanted to cut the cord but we could not come up with a cost effective solution using TiVo.

    - Rich
     
  11. Feb 17, 2013 #891 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Wow. I would guess you are the exception. I watch absolutely nothing that is not recorded. Maybe we need a poll to figure it out. I will make one!
     
  12. Feb 17, 2013 #892 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    OK, I guess I stand corrected on that part (by my own poll: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=952767 ). To my surprise, a lot more people use "live" TV on the TiVo than I would ever have guessed. So I am in a large minority instead of in a large majority.

    Now, how important "live" TV might be to people on non-primary TV's (presumably the main use of a Mini), I can't say (since that wasn't asked). But it does point to it being an important feature for many users (one I really don't understand).
     
  13. Feb 17, 2013 #893 of 1620
    atmuscarella

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    The Price of a Premiere (dual tuner) with lifetime has remained about the same since it was released, with various deals along the way it has been fairly easy to buy one for around $500 and is less than a what a Tivo HD with lifetime cost when they brought lifetime service back. The premieres provides more whole house features than any other Tivo has so I am not sure how you think they are providing less.

    Note sure how to define cost effective but I do feel my three HD TiVos with lifetime, which I only use for OTA, were a good value and worth what I paid for them. There are a few options out there for an OTA DVR but I only consider the various dual tuner HD TiVos and HTPCs viable options if your interested in recording OTA HD TV and want a DVR that has good guide data, is easy to use, & is reliable. There isn't going to be much price difference between Tivos or HTPCs. I have both and like having both, I use the TiVos for DVRs and the HTPC for streaming and surfing (posting this using my HTPC on my 50 in plasma).
     
  14. Feb 18, 2013 #894 of 1620
    jcthorne

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    A tivo works fine as an extender without a cable card. Will do everything the mini will do. Only need the cable card if you ALSO want local tuning of CATV channels. It will tune OTA and clear QAM without the cable card which the mini will not. There would be no 'digital outlet fee with out the cable card.
     
  15. Feb 18, 2013 #895 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    I hope you are right.
     
  16. Feb 18, 2013 #896 of 1620
    mr_smits

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    Tell us how you really feel. :D
     
  17. Feb 18, 2013 #897 of 1620
    Time_Lord

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    As I see it the big win for the TiVo mini would be the ability to watch your pre-recorded shows on another TV. A second win would be to stream live TV from one of the tuners on the TiVo - any only have a single cable card.

    I wonder how this will shake up the DVR industry come June 2014... http://www.dailytech.com/FCC+to+For...D+With+Open+Standard+by+2014/article29357.htm

    I'm sure somebody can find a better link but it outlines the compatibility requirements of DVR's and their ability to stream data to any unit (akak competitors units). So I would think TiVo would want to flood the market with as many of these mini's as it could before they have to start competing with everybody... Unless they are still trying to figure out which standard to use. As the old saying goes "The great thing about standards is there are so many to choose from"

    -TL
     
  18. Feb 18, 2013 #898 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I doubt it will do anything. The FCC has already proven MULTIPLE TIMES that no matter what rules they put in place, the cable companies are going to pretty much ruin them and prevent consumers from having real choice or control. The FCC has no teeth and the cable companies know it now.
     
  19. Feb 18, 2013 #899 of 1620
    overFEDEXed

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  20. Feb 18, 2013 #900 of 1620
    spotterman26

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    Hey everybody, new poster here, been following this community waiting on the mini. I'm on Suddenlink cable in Eastern NC, and we have the mini here. I have 2 installed currently. Only had them a week. Have a premiere q in my living room, and the two minis (in a bonus room and a bedroom).
    So far I'm very happy with them, minus an issue with audio not responding after automatic standby (the mini is supposed to relinquish the tuner back to the q after 1.5 hrs of inactivity, more on that later). I'm working on that.. thanks to a few helpful posts on another thread.
    Setup was a pain, getting them all to communicate, took forever for them to go live on my account. Total setup time maybe 2 hours, most waiting on tivo to add them to my account. Seamless integration over moca, access to my premiere recordings and live tv. Easy to pause and resume across all 3. The dynamic sharing of the tuners hasn't been very dynamic, essentially I lost two tuners on my premiere. I'm assuming there must be an update to straighten that out at some point, at least I hope. I've got full guide access, some lag when changing channels but not bad.
    Hope this is helpful!
     

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