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Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.
I agree. 0% at launch, and probably only a 50% chance to see this feature implemented in 2013.
I've heard it's been pushed back. As to how far, who knows. Hopefully it's a 2013 feature.
Pushed back to the next hardware refresh?
It would make sense to clear up all the confusion (or potential confusion) customers may have with the Tivo offerings. If the next box is the rumored 6 tuner box with integrated Stream capabilities and dynamic tuner allocation when paired with 3-4 minis, then this would be great.
Edit: Android and possibly web browser support for streaming would go along with clearing up the confusion. Windows 8 app should also be considered if adoption rates make sense. Tivo needs to widen their appeal.
I have one 4 tuner premiere and two 2- tuner premiere.
I would like to get 2 minis and lock them to 1 tuner on the each of the 2 tuner units.
Not much room for confusion here
It's my understanding that in it's current incarnation you can only pair a Mini to a 4 tuner unit. Even if you don't allocate any tuners it still requires a 4 tuner host.
I really dislike the 4 tuner restriction. In my case, I only have 2 tvs. My main tv has a 2 tuner tivo, and then my bedroom tv currently just has qam and internet streaming as I couldn't stand paying for a cable box up there any more, since I don't use it much. If I want to use a mini with a 2 tuner tivo, why does tivo care? I'm certainly not upgrading to a 4 tuner just for this if that's what they are thinking. For me it would be perfectly fine, since most of the time the bedroom tv gets used, the main tv is off anyway. Maybe I should just run an hdmi splitter like I see others doing and use wifi remote. This is what tivo is pushing me toward with this rule. I will happily hand over my money for the mini but I'm not upgrading the main tivo, so they are shooting themselves in the foot IMO. I don't follow how this restriction brings any benefit for them. I'd buy another tivo but again, I just hate paying monthly for my bedroom tv and 2nd cable card costs here are high.
Is there any hope that they will do away with the 4 tuner restriction?
Aside from semi-permanently losing a tuner to record from, the use-case I haven't seen mentioned before is that DTA also involves being able to switch between multiple sources.
With a QAM-only XL4 box, without DTA, the Mini can take tuner #4 and be done with it. No additional logic needed.
Not as clean with a 2-tuner box which has QAM and OTA sources. Without DTA, we'd have to choose which tuner the Mini would take -- a QAM tuner or an OTA tuner. And when the Mini hijacks one, it can't access any video from the other. It has no ability to toggle between both sources.
Not a problem for those that only use one or the other in their house, but Tivo has to develop for it anyway.
I also think it's odd that they don't want to let you watch recordings from 2-tuner boxes if you don't have a 4-tuner, but it's probably due to keeping confused customers from calling about not being able to get live TV.
There is a chance once they have implemented what we're calling dynamic tuner allocation (DTA) in this discussion. It's on the roadmap but won't be a feature at launch.
But none of the Premiere units act that way. (The S2DT had that split capability where a subset of channels could be received from the internal analog cable tuner and most had to come from the A/V input from the externally controlled cable box)
The 2-tuner Premieres can record two shows from QAM/analog cable, two from ATSC (OTA), or 1 from each. (because while it has two 'logical' tuners show in the user interface there are actually four phyiscal hardware tuners; two cable, two OTA). The mini wouldn't have to pre-decide which to take up; it'd take one 'logical' tuner and have access to cable or OTA depending on the channel selected (just like through the normal user interface).
With the way it works now it makes sense that it doesn't work with the 2 tuner boxes. The current option allows you to dedicate 1 or 2 tuners to the Mini for live TV. And when that option is set those tuners are removed from the pool available to the local unit. If they offered the same option for 2 tuner units then it would be possible to make it so the TiVo itself had no tuners and couldn't record anything.
Rather then wasting time and effort into educating consumers as to why it works differently on the 4 tuner unit then it does the 2 tuner unit, it's probably easier for the sales and support staff to just say it only works with a 4 tuner unit. Once DTA is functional they might expand it to 2 tuner boxes, but there is no guarantee. There would still be the issue with Mini's possibly taking to many tuners and causing the main box not to be able to record anything. And who knows how that might effect the scheduler.
Perhaps the next gen TiVos will have 3 and 6 tuners, instead of 2 and 4. That would allow the 3 tuner unit to dedicate at least 1 tuner to a Mini without compromise and 2 with the ability to still function. Plus the naming conventions would allow them to differentiate between the current units. (i.e. Premiere XL3 and XL6)
Does that assume the Mini could actually do that, today? That's kinda my point.
As mentioned many times now they should allow 2 tuner Premiere units as Mini hosts without live tv capability - better than not at all which seems to be the current plan...
Yep. I have them lying around.
Especially, if you many rooms and few people
I have to follow that robot fight around the house.
I'm thinking they have a problem with their pricing if they tried to sell it strictly as a recording streamer to those people. As it is, nobody's happy about the fees inflating the final cost to anywhere between $200-$300. Reduce functionality further and it gets silly.
I mean, I wouldn't pay $250, $300 just for that. I don't want to pay that even with TV tuning.
I think taking away any tuner would compromise the box. Anytime you have four concurrent recordings scheduled, you would be screwed.
Still though, I wish the Mini was out yesterday. I still want to get one so I can get rid of my third cable card.
If there are two recordings going, you have to cancel or watch one of those or something that is being records.
It is really no different than streaming.
It does not seem to screw the IPAD app. Just use that method for a 2 TiVo unit. This seems to more a business concern than a technical problem.
The iPad app way of creating a bunch of recording clips and not cleaning up after itself is a very poor hack and I would be disgusted at TiVo if they released the Mini that way. I'd say better no live TV at all than that hack.
Are there any reviews of this thing out yet? Like in the field? We know there are some out there on Suddenlink, although we don't know how many.
Today I believe that the 2-tuner Premiere software won't allow a mini to take any tuners; so it's kind of a moot point.
But if they enabled it I can't imagine why it would need to lock to only 1 of the physical tuners; none of the rest of the user interface acts that way.