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The Tivo Mini lives....

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by dave13077, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. Aug 24, 2012 #61 of 1620
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps I wasn't clear. From my understanding the Mini will be able to stream from 2-tuner units with launch software (using MRS mechanism which is standard between any 2 Premiere units). The problem is you also need a 4-tuner unit to be able to set it up so initially only useful for those with at least 1 4-tuner unit in the household.
    Of course until it actually launches we won't know any of this for sure...
     
  2. Aug 25, 2012 #62 of 1620
    slowbiscuit

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    I'm not following the logic behind this, unless you really have a need to watch live TV on another set that doesn't get OTA on its own. I think most folks will use the Mini to stream recordings and maybe use some internet apps, not watch live TV.

    So a Mini without OTA tuner access is in no way 'useless', because there are other ways to get OTA live. Access to a cablecard tuner is way more important for those that want live TV.
     
  3. Aug 25, 2012 #63 of 1620
    L David Matheny

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    If it's just a setup problem, that sounds pretty lame. Since (as others have commented) streaming from a 2-tuner Premiere would provide most of the Mini's usefulness, they should just allow the option of setting it up without linking it to a live tuner. How hard could that be? When it's not streaming, the attached TV could just display a logo screen. Streaming live TV, presumably because the TV doesn't have a cable card, would just not be an option for those without a 4-tuner unit, at least until they work out the (possibly tricky?) problem of dynamically allocating and deallocating a tuner as needed.
     
  4. Aug 25, 2012 #64 of 1620
    Dan203

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    He was saying that because it only works with the 4 tuner units, and the 4 tuner units don't do OTA, it's useless to him. I doubt many of us care about live TV regardless of the source. However the reason for the current limitation is because the product was originally designed for cable operators and they think streaming live TV is important.

    I agree that they should allow it to be setup as a dumb streaming box with no access to live TV. As I said I doubt many of us care about live TV anyway.

    Dan
     
  5. Aug 25, 2012 #65 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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  6. Aug 25, 2012 #66 of 1620
    danjw1

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    The only reason I watch live TV is when there is a breaking news story that interests me. I can't see any other situation when I want to watch live TV.
     
  7. Aug 25, 2012 #67 of 1620
    aaronwt

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    and if you need to watch something live you can just hit record and then start streaming it right away instead of dedicating a tuner to the mini.
     
  8. Aug 25, 2012 #68 of 1620
    moyekj

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    Except you have to go to another Premiere to do so or use iPad/Android/kmttg or equivalent to start a recording.
    I also don't care for Live TV but know there are others that do (including some in my family) and having Live TV capability does add value for some prospective buyers. If Live TV was an OPTION instead of a REQUIREMENT then that would satisfy both camps, so I think that's where TiVo should be headed with it.

    Perhaps one clever way to give close to Live TV capability without requiring a dedicated tuner is to allow the Mini to connect to any Premiere (4 tuner or 2 tuner) and start a recording on it, then one could use MRS to view it on the Mini. Not the same as Live TV and quick channel changing capabilities but gives you ability to watch something close to Live.
     
  9. Aug 25, 2012 #69 of 1620
    sbiller

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    Good idea. I'm guessing that's the way the iOS apps are going to handle live TV. It's certainly not the seamless experience most will want for an extender but it's probably the direction TiVo will head with the Mini experience. Dedicating a tuner means they can truly make the Mini experience nearly identical to the host Premiere.
     
  10. Aug 26, 2012 #70 of 1620
    jcthorne

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    Just like the Premiere would have a full HD interface with a software update just after launch.
     
  11. Aug 26, 2012 #71 of 1620
    jcthorne

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    No, the mini will be useless as it cannot connect to an OTA capable Tivo AT ALL. OTA households are out in the cold. Its a cable TV device only.
     
  12. Aug 26, 2012 #72 of 1620
    moyekj

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    Premiere & Premiere XL have OTA tuners and you will be able to stream from them.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2012 #73 of 1620
    L David Matheny

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    Are you suggesting that you could set the Mini up using a friend's 4-tuner unit and then take it home to use with your Premiere or Premiere XL? Or are you just saying that it's supposed to work with all Premieres eventually?
     
  14. Aug 26, 2012 #74 of 1620
    moyekj

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    Simply put I'm saying the Mini will be able to MRS from any Series 4 TiVo. The supposed problem at launch is you will need a 4-tuner unit available to initialize the Mini with which is the main complaint of this thread so far. So supposedly at launch if you have a 4-tuner model and 1 or more 2-tuner models you will be able to stream shows from all units, not just the 4-tuner model.
     
  15. Aug 26, 2012 #75 of 1620
    sbiller

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    It seems like it would be a very minor change to allow an MRS-only Mini at launch. Of course it's another path through the software that would require extensive additional testing and error checking.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2012 #76 of 1620
    dianebrat

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    I see the mini as the PERFECT solution to the bedroom TV problem in a FiOS house where I'm currently using a small HTPC to stream live TV from an HDHomerun Prime. It means the HTPC can go away and I can have a simple solution AND get access to items on my XL4 to allow them to stream.

    So not only do I care about Live TV, the mini is targeted 100% right at my needs.
     
  17. Aug 26, 2012 #77 of 1620
    dave13077

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    Any guesses if the "Mini" will have built in wireless? Seems to me that they should include it but they also might be interested in selling some sort of "doggle" to increase revenue.
     
  18. Aug 26, 2012 #78 of 1620
    sbiller

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    No guess required. The Mini is MoCA and Wired Ethernet only. Wireless is too unreliable to stream Mpeg2.
     
  19. Aug 26, 2012 #79 of 1620
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Wireless *CAN* be too unreliable but that doesn't mean it *IS*. It depends on lots and lots of factors. Given that the bandwidth requirements for MPEG2 HD are high, and consumers are generally totally clueless about how WiFi works, interference, channels, signal propagation, protocols, etc, I can see why TiVo would not want include wireless, it is just a support nightmare.

    Of course all you have to do is connect a so-called "WiFi gaming adapter" to the Mini and you are wireless (and at your own "risk").
     
  20. Aug 26, 2012 #80 of 1620
    sbiller

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    I agree completely with your clarification. Its all about support and reliability. A few MSOs like AT&T are deploying WiFi set top boxes but I haven't dug into the video quality and reliability questions. My guess is they aren't trying to stream high-quality MPEG-2 over WiFi.
     

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